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**clivejo** · Oct 28, 2016, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by ack0329 View Post

So here I am writing from Ubuntu's KDE Neon beside Ubuntu-Gnome which allows for a good opportunity for comparison from both an experienced Linux User and from a relatively Newbies Perspective with KDE. This is written with the hopes of helping others with the decision to switch, helping both KDE and Gnome developers with future considered development decisions. Not to mention for FUN.

I'm afraid to tell you that Ubuntu has nothing to do with KDE Neon, bar providing the underlying system(Xenial). The KDE Neon project is entirely maintained by KDE people on KDE infrastructure. They provide a repository, which is installed on top of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. For more details of what KDE Neon is and is not, https://neon.kde.org/faq

**ack0329** · Oct 28, 2016, 07:43 PM

I just wanted to help other Ubuntu Users choose KDE as it is so much slimmer and smartly efficient than my past KDE Bloated environment, and it is so much more intuitively designed to navigate systems / apps / customization.

Just sharing the good word.

**ack0329** · Oct 28, 2016, 11:33 PM

And for others reading this ...
KDE Neon is built entirely from Ubuntu 16.04 and can use all THE SAME ppas/ commands/ file managers/ driver managers/ app managers etc, so don't be dismayed.

And KDE Neon is much More Lean and Mean than Kubuntu from my understanding! WooHoo. ...
The Best of KDE without the Worst (no bloat or confusing Application Menu) to name just a few key reasons.

Happy Gaming on Linux, Mark

**bvpainter** · Oct 29, 2016, 03:48 AM

You could try Maui from the Netrunner people. I think it is Neon with more bells and whistles.

**ack0329** · Oct 29, 2016, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by bvpainter View Post

You could try Maui from the Netrunner people. I think it is Neon with more bells and whistles.

Cheers and thanks.

Googling this led me to Wickipedia and a list of differences from KDE-Neon, which I will show here. At least the apps that were not already on my KDE-Neon:
owncloud
gimp
krita
kdenlive
telepathy-indicator
virtualbox

Happy Gaming on Linux, Mark
edit: p.s. KDE- Neon presently has a NEWER Plasma Version, Qt Version, and Kernel than Netrunners last release. So for others, you should know KDE-Neon stays pretty current.
... AWESOME !

**DrGeoffrey** · Oct 29, 2016, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by ack0329 View Post

p.s. KDE- Neon presently has a NEWER Plasma Version, Qt Version, and Kernel than Netrunners last release. So for others, you should know KDE-Neon stays pretty current.
... AWESOME !

Experience indicates wait a week, or less, and Maui will be updated to the newer Plasma version. Neon is very bleeding edge, while Maui prefers to keep systems one step back from the edge. Fewer cuts result, and production systems stay running properly.

**GreyGeek** · Oct 29, 2016, 01:56 PM

Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall

I noticed a thread in the KDE Forum about this topic. It was so good I decided to link to it here, and to copy it here as a backup.
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=135278

Code:

 Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall
Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:58 pm
Neon project website recommends to do a clean install. While I understand that this makes some sense, especially for inexperienced users, many of us are already running Kubuntu + backports PPA and reinstalling everything from scratch needs significant effort to copy all your settings/data properly.

So I have decided to install Neon on top of my Kubuntu-16.04 (+ backports PPA + libreoffice PPA). I am a professional software engineer dealing with Linux daily, so I was not afraid of possible problems. The update went quite well, so I decided to share my experience in case if somebody else would like to do the same.

# apt-add-repository http://archive.neon.kde.org/user
# apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys E6D4736255751E5D
# apt update
# apt dist-upgrade

after that you will see some minor errors - conflicting files in old and new packages, e.g.

dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeconnect_0.9g-1+16.04+build14_amd64.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeconnectinterfaces.so.0.9.0', which is also in package kdeconnect-plasma 0.9+p16.04+git20160702.0005-0

Unpacking libkf5screen7 (4:5.7.3-0neon+16.04+build13) over (4:5.6.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) ...
dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5screen7_4%3a5.7.3-0neon+16.04+build13_amd64.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/kf5/kscreen_backend_launcher', which is also in package libkf5screen-bin 4:5.6.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1

dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kpmcore_2.2.0-0+16.04+build2_amd64.deb

(--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/libpmdummybackendplugin.so', which is also in package partitionmanager 1.2.1-0ubuntu1

Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdeconnect_0.9g-1+16.04+build14_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5screen7_4%3a5.7.3-0neon+16.04+build13_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpmcore_2.2.0-0+16.04+build2_amd64.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

At this moment you can either use 'dpkg -i --force-all' on new packages or remove the conflicting old package (and later reinstall it). For example:

# apt remove kdeconnect-plasma libkf5screen-bin partitionmanager

and after that

# apt install partitionmanagers packages


and just in case to pick up any unprocessed packages

# apt update; apt upgrade; apt clean

Then rebooting - and everything works fine!

I would like to thank Neon team for their outstanding effort - Kubuntu-backports PPA was getting very old and I was tired of waiting forever.

A minor issue: I wanted to installl Libreoffice-5.2 but it seems that there is a problem

# apt-add-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-2
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/apt-add-repository", line 95, in <module>
sp = SoftwareProperties(options=options)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py", line 109, in __init__
self.reload_sourceslist()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py", line 599, in reload_sourceslist
self.distro.get_sources(self.sourceslist)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptsources/distro.py", line 89, in get_sources
(self.id, self.codename))
aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for neon/xenial

This is not a big deal - I have added the needed file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ manually, but as Libreoffice PPA is quite popular, this needs to be fixed.

Alex


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Re: Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall
Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:05 pm

    alexsid wrote:
    A minor issue: I wanted to installl Libreoffice-5.2 but it seems that there is a problem

    # apt-add-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-2
    Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/bin/apt-add-repository", line 95, in <module>
    sp = SoftwareProperties(options=options)
    File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py", line 109, in __init__
    self.reload_sourceslist()
    File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py", line 599, in reload_sourceslist
    self.distro.get_sources(self.sourceslist)
    File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptsources/distro.py", line 89, in get_sources
    (self.id, self.codename))
    aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for neon/xenial

    This is not a big deal - I have added the needed file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ manually, but as Libreoffice PPA is quite popular, this needs to be fixed.



I suspect that this problem could be solved by editing file '/etc/lsb-release'. Just replace in it 'DISTRIB_ID=neon' to 'DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu'. At least, the problem with non-working 'software-properties-kde' was solved in such way.


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Re: Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall
Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:51 pm
nah, what you need to do is make sure neon-desktop is installed, otherwise the system is just not properly aligned to the name

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Re: Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall
Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:48 pm
The 'neon-desktop' is big metapackage which has in its dependencies a bunch of *-dev packages, and some strange unnecessary things like Plasma theme for GRUB. It seems that all important config files are located in 'neon-settings' package, which is one of its dependencies.

Right now I ran 'apt-get install neon-settings' and after that the 'software-properties-kde' began to work with correct 'etc/lsb-release' version. Anyway, a lot of thanks to apachelogger for this important information!

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Re: Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall
Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:28 pm
Thank you for the report Alex.
I am considering switching to Neon myself due to Plasma 5.7 updates which might take a while to get to Kubuntu.

Did you have kubuntu-backports repo enabled before you added Neon repo and did you disable it or apt-purged it, before starting the upgrade?



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Re: Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall
Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:06 pm

    sasha wrote:
    Thank you for the report Alex.
    I am considering switching to Neon myself due to Plasma 5.7 updates which might take a while to get to Kubuntu.

    Did you have kubuntu-backports repo enabled before you added Neon repo and did you disable it or apt-purged it, before starting the upgrade?



Hi Sasha,

1. yes, I had kubuntu-backports repo enabled, then added Neon repo and proceeded with upgrade
2. After upgrade to Neon has been completed, I have disabled kubuntu-backports

Hope this helps,
Alex



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Re: Installing Neon on top of Kubuntu without reinstall
Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:55 pm
Thank you :) this worked for me. I am now proudly running KDE Plasma 5.8 on Kubuntu 16.04.

The only problem I had was with multiple monitors (post installation the monitors were mirrored instead of extended and the 'Displays' option was missing from System Settings > Display and Monitor). If anyone else runs into this problem, I solved it by installing 'kscreen'.

    sudo apt install kscreen

EDIT: It is amazing to me that KDE developers are taking time out of their busy schedules to visit these forums and offer advice. It is certainly above and beyond the call. It also suggests that a well documented problem posted to these sites is as good as a bugzilla report that has passed through triage (help from members of these forums). Heartfelt thanks, folks!

**DrGeoffrey** · Oct 29, 2016, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post

EDIT: It is amazing to me that KDE developers are taking time out of their busy schedules to visit these forums and offer advice. It is certainly above and beyond the call. It also suggests that a well documented problem posted to these sites is as good as a bugzilla report that has passed through triage (help from members of these forums). Heartfelt thanks, folks!

Agreed. Many, many thanks.

**Tahaan** · Nov 04, 2016, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by clivejo View Post

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I'm afraid to tell you that Ubuntu has nothing to do with KDE Neon, bar providing the underlying system(Xenial). The KDE Neon project is entirely maintained by KDE people on KDE infrastructure. They provide a repository, which is installed on top of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. For more details of what KDE Neon is and is not, https://neon.kde.org/faq

So what's your point? The OP didn't claim it is.

**Tahaan** · Nov 04, 2016, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by ack0329 View Post

First my Comparison to Gnome
__________________________________________________ _____________
KDE vs Gnome

KDE Neon,

[LIST][*]Preface[*]First underst...[snip]

Try this: Install KDE-Connect on your Android device.

Ensure bot your phone and your computer is on the same Wifi network and "pair" them using the KDE-connect that is included with KDE Neon.

Next select a piece of text, maybe a text message you received, or a URL in your browser on the phone.

Then COPY to clipboard.

Go to your computer and open a test editor.

PASTE.

Now go to Dolpin.

Look at the down to the bottom left under devices. Ensure your phone is not "locked" and click on the phone to browse it's files. Drag-and-drop-sugar

When you receive messages on your phone, a desktop notification shows up on your computer as long as they can see one another.

More things to discover in there.

**oshunluvr** · Nov 04, 2016, 11:52 AM

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BTRFS not recognized during install or after

Don't know why you would think this. My KDEneon User Edition install is running (as well as many other installs) on my btrfs multi-disk filesystem. I installed it there at it's first release. Here's a screen shot of a Vbox install offering btrfs as a disk format. So KDEneon does recognize btrfs both before and after install.

Attached Files

**clivejo** · Nov 04, 2016, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Tahaan View Post

So what's your point? The OP didn't claim it is.

Apologies, the OP said "So here I am writing from Ubuntu's KDE Neon" which I misunderstood to mean that he believed KDE Neon was a Ubuntu project. I was merely pointing out the it is not.

**oshunluvr** · Nov 04, 2016, 12:24 PM

Also of note from the OP: glxgears isn't a good graphics benchmark. You get 60fps because vsync is on. Either use gtkperf or run glxgears this way:

__GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears

This turns off vsync temporarily.

**woodsmoke** · Nov 06, 2016, 01:12 PM

Hi Ack0329

Thanks for the very nice listing.

KDE Neon is stated on it's page to NOT be a distro that it is a "bunch of packages", most bleeding edge.

I don't think that Riddel even wants it to be a "distro' I think that quite possibly it is his way of poking a finger in the eye of some people at Canonical.

What I, personally, and it is ONLY.........my PERSONAl..observation , think is going to happen is that there are going to be some really enterprising people who make new and beautiful distros FROM neon and somehow promote them in a way that increases KDE "market share" versus Unity/Canonical.

Your listing of the stuff certainly makes available for the person who might so do a "frame" of thought about it....

Thanks again

woodsmoke

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