Ubuntu to build its own display server

[kubicle]

Here's aseigo (mr. plasma) on Mir:
https://plus.google.com/107555540696...ts/hzRy1rJaafc

Edit:
And from mgraesslin (mr. kwin)
http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blo.../war-is-peace/

Exerpt:

Will KWin support Mir? No!

[Teunis]

Ah well, there'll still be Debian to fall back on.

[whatthefunk]

Here's aseigo (mr. plasma) on Mir:
https://plus.google.com/107555540696...ts/hzRy1rJaafc

Edit:
And from mgraesslin (mr. kwin)
http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blo.../war-is-peace/

Exerpt:

Thanks for those links. My feelings toward Canonical get more negative every day...

[pauly]

There is no way they can build a working display manager in another year. At least not for the desktop. I get the impression Ubuntu is abandoning the desktop. If they actually follow through it will be three years before Unity on the desktop would be usable.

[woodsmoke]

In various other threads and other fora, I have posted that I have successfully installed, and ran for extended periods of time "KDE", Cinnamon, etc. atop Unity.

When I posted that in the several cases that I could "discern" an "ambience" that was different in some undefinable way from the "ground up OS"..., the few, and rather dismissive, replies were that a pretty face on an OS is just a pretty face on an OS.

So...one must assume that indeed, a pretty face on an OS is just a pretty face on an OS.

woodsmoke

woodsmoke

[kubicle]

Ah well, there'll still be Debian to fall back on.

Debian is great (I used it before coming to kubuntu and still do). My problem with debian is that even unstable drags behind in KDE versions (even more so now that debian is in freeze). Kubuntu devs do a great job with packaging fresh (and pre-release) KDE, which is essential for me...and the main and only (aside from these forums, of course ) reason to stick with kubuntu.

There is no way they can build a working display manager in another year.

I'm sure they can build "something", expecting it to be any good is another thing.

I'm expecting a half-arsed python daemon that moves the window controls if you try to hit them with your mouse, sells your private data to the highest bidder, prevents you from posting anything critical of canonical online and pops out dialogs that praise Shuttleworth in the best North-Korean fashion every few minutes...so it wouldn't be hard for them to exceed my expectations

[dmeyer]

Ah well, there'll still be Debian to fall back on.

Hopefully Kubuntu in its current or similar form will continue to exist, otherwise:

[Notsonoble]

Debian is great (I used it before coming to kubuntu and still do). My problem with debian is that even unstable drags behind in KDE versions (even more so now that debian is in freeze).

I think the idea was for Kubuntu devs to fall back to Debian as a base.
Mint's KDE team is also behind compared to Kubuntu, and they build some releases from debian and some from ubuntu. I wonder if some co-op work wouldn't be good for both projects (let mint focus on gnome/xfce/lmde and Kubuntu pickup the mint kde team and users).

[dmeyer]

I think the idea was for Kubuntu devs to fall back to Debian as a base.
Mint's KDE team is also behind compared to Kubuntu, and they build some releases from debian and some from ubuntu. I wonder if some co-op work wouldn't be good for both projects (let mint focus on gnome/xfce/lmde and Kubuntu pickup the mint kde team and users).

Mint will still have the issue of being Ubuntu based. Unless Mint switches over to Debian as its primary base then it won't really help. Plus at the moment Kubuntu devs get access to quite a few resources from Canonical like build servers etc and would be a shame if they lost that. Yes Canonical doesn't actively fund Kubuntu's development anymore but they continue to provide infrastructure as they do for Lubuntu or Xubuntu or Edubuntu.

[Notsonoble]

Kubuntu devs get access to quite a few resources from Canonical like build servers etc and would be a shame if they lost that. Yes Canonical doesn't actively fund Kubuntu's development anymore but they continue to provide infrastructure as they do for Lubuntu or Xubuntu or Edubuntu.

I understand that but the more Canonical moves in its current direction the less I expect Kubuntu to be able to continue on on Ubuntu's infrastructure. It would be a shame to loose that, but I think it will be inevitable. If Canonical pushes mir the way they pushed Unity, Kubuntu will have to chose between that infrastructure support, and a working display server.

[Achaean]

Hopefully Kubuntu in its current or similar form will continue to exist, otherwise:

Or Mepis maybe.
Anyway! I hope Kubuntu will survive this situation.

Meanwhile, this is an interesting interview (How will changes at Ubuntu affect Kubuntu: exclusive interview with Jonathan Riddell), in case someone didn't read it yet:
http://www.muktware.com/5369/how-wil...nathan-riddell

[SteveRiley]

Meanwhile, this is an interesting interview (How will changes at Ubuntu affect Kubuntu: exclusive interview with Jonathan Riddell), in case someone didn't read it yet:
http://www.muktware.com/5369/how-wil...nathan-riddell

From the interview:

"Launchpad and Bazaar are both in maintinance mode"

Whaaaa...?

Oh. http://lwn.net/Articles/515652/

[kubicle]

"Launchpad and Bazaar are both in maintinance mode"

Doesn't really surprise me, Canonical lacks the skill players to make anything that would actually measure up to the competition...and their CLA effectively blocks anyone who would know what they are doing (or anyone who is sane) from contributing. Their pet projects are doomed to fail if nothing changes (and it probably won't).

[NickStone]

An interesting article about Canonical's plans on Mir

And another article

[dmeyer]

Doesn't really surprise me, Canonical lacks the skill players to make anything that would actually measure up to the competition...and their CLA effectively blocks anyone who would know what they are doing (or anyone who is sane) from contributing. Their pet projects are doomed to fail if nothing changes (and it probably won't).

Ever try OBS? Its pretty much what I consider the pinnacle of Linux packaging. One service that packages for 10+ distros with different versions so in essence its more like 40+ distros... Its beautiful. Plus the package search etc is really nice. All openSUSE need is some kind of app store like Muon (Might I add that Muon is really a great competitive advantage to Kubuntu.) that could integrate with the web repositories would be great. Maybe integrating ppa's with Muon could be a future goal? Either way, I think Muon has the best app store in the linux community and has a pretty good package manager too.

I would hate for the amazing Kubuntu community (best forums in the Linux world by a huge margin) and its small but incredibly talented and committed developer team to be destroyed by Canonical. Blue Systems taking on devs was extremely fortunate but losing our base distro would be a nasty set back... Still, I have a feeling that things aren't going to change too drastically too quickly. Mir is still little more than a demo. Although Canonical may be retarted when it comes to community relations; they do know how to produce repeatedly one of the best distro bases on the planet and they won't stop anytime soon.

Have a look at Muon 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO9xr...TXZvpA&index=1 See the potential? Its gorgeous, simple, and even integrates KDE-app.org and kde-look.org.