Kubuntu 11.04 sucks

[GreyGeek]

Re: Kubuntu 11.04 sucks

An absolutely strange and almost unheard of event happened this afternoon.

A friend of mine was having trouble with his HP dv5 Entertainment laptop running VISTA and protected by Microsoft Security Essentials. He brought it over for me to look at. Sure enough, his Intel Mobile 4 Express Series Chipset video driver ifgrxserv.exe was replaced by a virus. The GPU load was causing the driver to continually eat up 50-60% of one of the CPU's and 15-30% of the other. It was making his external power supply overheat and stop working, forcing him to use battery. He could not recharge and use his HP at the same time without the power supply failing. Unfortunately, Intel offered no replacement or upgrade video drivers for the dv5 and recommended that we consult the HP website for the "latest drivers". We did. There was none to be had. I did a system restore to a previous point where the system was "known" to be working good. I removed the video icons from the system tray to take their service out of memory. It resulted in the CPU consumption reducing to 30-40% and 15-25%. Still not good, but better.

I always carry with me a USB stick containing Natty Narwhale with FireFox, mulimedia codecs, flash and quicktime preinstalled and KNetworkManager configured for my WPA secured wifi. I plugged it into his HP dv5 laptop and turned the power on. Within a couple minutes I was looking at Natty's beautiful desktop. Video was using about 10-15% of each CPU and acceleration worked well. The sound worked beautifully. I clicked on KNetworkManager and it displayed my ESSID, and a couple of my neighbors. I clicked on mine and it connected automatically. I browsed YouTube and played him a couple videos. Even running from a USB stick, Kubuntu was easily as fast or even faster than VISTA running from the HD. He was stunned.

He had been having so much trouble with his HP & VISTA that he was thinking of buying an iMac, which I priced out for him at $1,660 with the same capabilities as his HP. Kubuntu was free. His HP was running like a champ on Natty and showed none of the former symptoms! You could see the disappointment in his eyes as his excuse to his wife for the necessity of a new computer evaporated while his wife watched as his laptop behaved perfectly.

According to some folks Natty is not that good! Where did I go wrong?

[Teunis]

Re: Kubuntu 11.04 sucks

You went with an HP, that's what you did wrong. 8)

[gjartin]

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Since it doesn't take more than an hour or so to add your preferred apps back in, and I always add a bunch, there really is no reason IMO to do anything but a fresh install

I agree wholeheartedly with you - that's why I did a fresh install on my laptop, after having problems with the update.
Exactly the same problems.

[gjartin]

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According to some folks Natty is not that good! Where did I go wrong?

What's your point, sir? Since all wen't well for you, noone's having problems?

[Snowhog]

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According to some folks Natty is not that good! Where did I go wrong?

What's your point, sir? Since all wen't well for you, noone's having problems?

He was making ribald retort to all the 'nay sayers' of 11.04. For him, nothing went wrong. That's the point.

[MoonRise]

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He was making ribald retort to all the 'nay sayers' of 11.04. For him, nothing went wrong. That's the point.

+1

[ccnjim]

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RE:Topic: Kubuntu 11.04 sucks
I was pleased at first with Natty. Amarok finally worked. The default graphics worked. Everything was great. As I started installing all my favorite bleeding edge stuff I started getting pixal corruption with the stock graphics drivers. After installing Nvidias drivers from the website it became worse. I tried different driver releases even betas but the pixel problem wouldn't go away. I was also having random lock-ups where my pc would freeze. My frustration level matched your post title. I decided to go back to Maverick and use Clementine since Amarok didn't work (for me).
Well go figure I re-installed Maverick installed all my usual backports, betas, etc; Amarok even works now!
So rather than googling for fixes to get Natty to work for me...the weather is nice and It's a great day to barbeque.
I think I'll stay with Maverick and skip Natty.

[gjartin]

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According to some folks Natty is not that good! Where did I go wrong?

What's your point, sir? Since all wen't well for you, noone's having problems?

He was making ribald retort to all the 'nay sayers' of 11.04. For him, nothing went wrong. That's the point.

So, you agree that there was no point? A lot of people, myself included, obviously have lots of problems with 11.04 - some people haven't.
Fact is, some basic stuff - like wireless - that worked with 10.10, doesn't work with 11.04. I think that's the point. Things that worked, and still works, are (although nice) irrelevant.
Btw, I find the talk about 'nay-sayers' quite offensive. If someone says "11.04 sucks, I'll stick to Windows", you could maybe call them that. But that hasn't generally been the case.

[el_koraco]

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Fact is, some basic stuff - like wireless - that worked with 10.10, doesn't work with 11.04. I think that's the point. Things that worked, and still works, are (although nice) irrelevant.

Kernel and X server issues, nothing too new. I don't get why people act surprised when they upgrade in the first month after a release. I tested Kubuntu Natty from Alpha 2 to the release. Went back to elementary OS when I saw that the niggling issues will be put on hold for a while. Other than that, it's not really fair to say Kubuntu sucks, because it is the best implementation of KDE at the moment. Give it a month, try it again, if you're having problems, downgrade the kernel, and you'll be good to go.

[Snowhog]

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It was not my intent to offend anyone, but if you were offended, my apologies to you. However, my experience here in KFN is that those who have 'unresolved issues' with any version of Kubuntu tend to express their frustration in a way that 'newbies' to Kubuntu might take as 'global condemnation.' First and foremost, KFN is all about 'helping' members get the most out of Kubuntu Linux. It is also my experience here, that *almost* any problem, properly reported/documented, isn't without a solution. Sometimes the solution(s) isn't/aren't what the user wants, but solutions, nonetheless, are identifiable.

[GreyGeek]

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Adding to what Snowhog said, just because some people have troubles (hardware and/or personal knowledge) does not mean that everyone will have problems. In like manner, just because my Natty USB stick slipped onto that HP dv5 like a silk glove doesn't mean that everyone else will find it just as smooth.

So, folks who preface their posts of dispair with "Natty sucks" should also add "for them" because it does not necessarily follow that it would "suck" for everyone else. THAT is the point.

[Snowhog]

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So, folks who preface their posts of dispair with "Natty sucks" should also add "for them" because it does not necessarily follow that it would "suck" for everyone else. THAT is the point.

+googolplex

[Mark]

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Many of the issues people have (but not all) with 11.04 aren't kubuntu's fault. In some cases it's kde 4.6
doing the sucking. The device notifier not working with audio cd's is one of them. And that one sucks no matter
what machine you're running.

[gjartin]

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So, folks who preface their posts of dispair with "Natty sucks" should also add "for them"

My God - he got it - he really got it That really IS the point! The OP was upset, and choose an unfortunate name for his post.

But here's the other point: Some people took offence and decided that OP didn't really want any help, and, btw, 'there's no real problem with 11.04'. But there is! For some people! Which they (me included) have stated, again and again.

Other than the OP, though, noone (irc) has stated that 11.04 "sucks". I have some serious issuses, which have forced me to reinstall 10.10 on my laptop. I still have issues with my desktop, but I hope that most of those will go away when I get my new videocard.

For me it's not a big problem anyway - I use very little software apart from the common stuff. But I can tell you that my brother-in-law, who's into HDR photography, and who spent days compiling sw, he's not a happy camper after installing 11.04...

Neither my bil or me is a young, energetic, coder with 36 extra hours a day - I'm 62, he's 54 - we're just computer users who loved 10.10 since it was so good. 11.04 isn't that good - for us, and obviously, for several others.

Btw, someone said that it's stupid to update so soon as we did. Maybe - but if so, aren't the daily update naggers just as stupid?
And "it's not 11.04, it's Kde 4.6.2". Maybe - but isn't this Kde version part of 11.04? (None of my problems, btw, are related to kde - I actually ran 4.6.2 before updating to 11.04).

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[el_koraco]

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Btw, someone said that it's stupid to update so soon as we did. Maybe - but if so, aren't the daily update naggers just as stupid?
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Not stupid, rash, or naive, or sth. The naggers are there to get as many people to upgrade as possible, because that is how the system gets tested for the LTS releases, which are what it's all about, given that it's the only strategy Canonical has for making money. We're pretty much all beta testers. If you want a stable system, wait two months after a new release, or stick to the LTS's.