and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

[chipbennett]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

I think I found a similar error message. Someone on ubuntuforums reported the same thing:

error:
no such device...some numbers here..)
grub rescue>

Grub Rescue *is* the prompt that I'm getting when I try to boot - although I don't think I was getting "no such device" as the error. (I'll go consult The Google and see if I can remember what I saw this morning.)

[toad]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

As for grub2 I can only recommend http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/...rescue_console

Qqmike has written a comprehensive grub2 guide in this forum. Search and ye shall find

[chipbennett]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

As for grub2 I can only recommend http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/...rescue_console

Qqmike has written a comprehensive grub2 guide in this forum. Search and ye shall find

Found it.

Commencing reading...

[GreyGeek]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

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I do understand how you feel. I've been testing and using various distributions of Linux since 2001 and I know well the frustrations of dealing with an OS that lacks (to an extent, not entirely) the ease of use and operability that Windows is well known for....

"... well known for .." Comparing the operation of Windows with the installation or upgrade of Linux is hardly fair. There are so many assumptions and misunderstandings in that statement I cannot let it go by without a comment.

First, MOST Windows users do not have to install Windows. It comes preinstalled on most new PCs.

Secondly, when Windows users "upgrade" that usually involves buying a new PC because Microsoft "updates" do not include installing a completely NEW Windows OS over an existing installation.

Third, most Windows users cannot fix their system when an KB update fails or their PC gets clogged with spam, spyware, bots, viruses and Trojans. They take their machine to a computer shop and PAY to have it cleaned up or to have the techie use the recovery system reinstall the OS. BUT, if a Trojan keyboard logger has infected the recovery partition all they've done is re-infect their box but they set there dumb, fat and happy thinking they are running a clear and "secure" OS.

Forth, Windows being easy to use is a myth. Neither you, nor anyone else, was born with a knowledge of how to use Windows, the mouse, or where applications are located in the Windows menu structure, or the names of those applications and what they do. Windows is "easy to use" because its users have spent years learning to use it, mostly by trial and error, or reading Windows For Dummies books, or playing a some instructional DVD, or asking friends, or being tutored. Once habits (mind-set, skill-set) become ingrained they are hard to break. Expecting the word processor to be called Office Word and looking for it as that name in the Linux menu leads to frustration, but that is not the fault of Linux. Also, I've spent years watching data entry clerks, secretaries, shop employees, etc., using their Windows workstations. Some for over 10 years. IF, for any reason, the applications they are using fail to perform exactly as they have always used it, they become totally lost. Even when you place a sticky note on the wall of their cubical detailing exactly the steps they must use, from a freshly booted Windows, to run and use any particular app, if any step fails they are usually lost and cry for help. Most cannot tell the difference between the desktop itself and any particular app they are running, like Windows Explorer, or Word. IOW, they don't understand context. For those people it will make little difference which OS they are running, except that they will probably have had more experience with Windows and to them it will be "easier to use", even when it isn't.

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Operating the scanner is not as good as it is in Windows but it does work. Still, this is a far cry from the days when I had my own non-profit (2001-2004) when we were using Red Hat 7.2 as our "standard issue" for those who wanted it installed on the systems we were giving away and what a chore it was trying to find hardware that was compatible with Linux at that time.

I find it amazing, and a testament to the SKILL of the FOSS programmers, and the quality of their code, that most current Linux distributions work "out of the box" on MOST current hardware. To understand how difficult this is you must realize that most PC and peripheral vendors to NOT share specifications or data on their equipment with any but Microsoft. (Apple makes its own hardware). FOSS coders must green-room their code and do trial and error development and testing. In fact, I have little doubt that the reverse is true ... that hardware vendors match their hardware to Microsoft's software. Even Microsoft does not have the money, resources, man=power and time to develop video drivers for a dozens of video devices on dozens of different makes and models of PCs and test each one, just like they don't support their OS but force the PC OEM pick up that expense while its under warranty. After warranty they'll be glad to take your CC number.

When a vendor does release a FOSS driver for a video chip, for example, it is just ONE source code file. No specs or documentation is included. It has to be modified by trial and error to run on every laptop which uses that chip. To make matters worse, not all PC OEMS use the same techniques, firmware, subchips, etc.. to implement the same video chip. Thus, for some folks the released driver worked fine for the Intel Mobile Series 4 chip (GM45) in their laptop, but it did not work for the same chip in my Sony VAIO VGN-FW140E notebook. It took months of working with the Xorg dev crew to get a driver which would give me accelerated video and 3D. The video driver that came with the VISTA Home Premium that came pre-installed on this laptop worked fine, except for the occasional "the LCD panel has disconnected...".

Now, consider the ATI legacy chip problem. When folks bought their PC with XP pre-installed 5 or 6 years ago their ATI X1200 chip worked perfectly with XP. Years pass by. ATI moves the X1200 to legacy status, meaning that their newest driver, Catalyst 10.2, does not include the ability to work with the X1200. The last Catalyst driver that did work with the X1200 was the 8.2 driver. IF your box has the X1200 and you want to try the 8.2 driver with Kubuntu 10.4 you'll find that the install will halt with the message that the 8.2 driver does not work with the current Linux kernel version. Catch-22. The old driver won't work with a new kernel, the new driver won't work with the old chip. The FOSS radeon driver does work for the most part, on most PCs, but not all. And, by some twisted logic, this is ALL the fault of Linux? Will VISTA or Win7 work on a 5 or 6 year old PC? No. But that's understandable?

There exists some hardware, rare as it is, on which Linux will not install, or if it can be installed it won't run well, if at all. I just threw away such a laptop. A 12 year old Tecera 8100. Even Puppy 5.1 wouldn't run on it reliably. Does that mean that Linux ****'s? Only if you are a Windows fanboi.

[The Liquidator]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

I think I found a similar error message. Someone on ubuntuforums reported the same thing:

error:
no such device...some numbers here..)
grub rescue>

Grub Rescue *is* the prompt that I'm getting when I try to boot - although I don't think I was getting "no such device" as the error. (I'll go consult The Google and see if I can remember what I saw this morning.)

Now That's the message I got!

10.10 has changed the routine for grub installation and I didn't spot it. It used to ask me where I wanted grub to go (usually the MBR). However, I didn't spot it and believe I installed it to an SDHC card that is the /home directory in the netbook. In short I installed grub to the wrong partition.

I reinstalled as I wasn't sure where to take it from there. However, there is something here that might help

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Re...tallingWindows

[chipbennett]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

I think I found a similar error message. Someone on ubuntuforums reported the same thing:

error:
no such device...some numbers here..)
grub rescue>

Grub Rescue *is* the prompt that I'm getting when I try to boot - although I don't think I was getting "no such device" as the error. (I'll go consult The Google and see if I can remember what I saw this morning.)

Now That's the message I got!

10.10 has changed the routine for grub installation and I didn't spot it. It used to ask me where I wanted grub to go (usually the MBR). However, I didn't spot it and believe I installed it to an SDHC card that is the /home directory in the netbook. In short I installed grub to the wrong partition.

I reinstalled as I wasn't sure where to take it from there. However, there is something here that might help

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Re...tallingWindows

Okay, so that sounds like good news! Sounds like a simple re-install of GRUB might do the trick?

[The Liquidator]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

It's possible, although there's no money-back guarantee

[GreyGeek]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...4049#msg244049

[chipbennett]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...4049#msg244049

I think you just made my day!

My Maverick LiveUSB is all ready to go. I'll give this a try first thing this evening!

[oshunluvr]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

GG,

[rant] It never ceases to amaze me how quickly M$ windoze users forget ME, or the BSOD, or the hours upon hours of time spent trying to remove virus's that should have never been there in the first place, or that fact that they paid $100's of dollars for the privilege of being told to "reboot, power off and back on, re-install" by so-called customer support.

I can proudly claim that 95% of the system crashes I've had since switching to linux have been totally my fault!

With windows - you don't even have to actually use it for bad stuff to happen.

Also, I am amazed at the number of people with little or no linux knowledge who'll happily install a beta version of a linux OS, update to a beta version of a desktop and then shriek when it has issues.

Equally amazing is how many of those people actually don't have issues.

For someone to install a cost free product as good as even the worst linux distro, and then complain about the results without even the decency to describe what needs fixing or to ask for help is absolutely mind boggling. And when you add in the idea that these same people would claim the superiority of windows - well, it takes all kinds. Personally, they can have their windows and the costs, and the data loss, and the virus's, and the malware, and I won't log on to their forums and complain about their choice. Good riddance.

I will continue my efforts to help those who ask, convert those who are willing to listen, and sigh when my favorite game won't run in linux. Maybe someday...

this reminds me of a quote from some where -

"The greatest trick the devil ever played was to convince the world he didn't exist"

re-written -

"The greatest thing Microsoft has ever done was to convince the world that they had the best OS"

If it wasn't for underhanded and illegal business practices, forced subscription, and purchased politic influence Microsoft wouldn't even be in business anymore. Too bad our government doesn't have the will to do what the EU has done many times and sue them into history. [/rant]

[GreyGeek]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

...[rant] It never ceases to amaze me how quickly M$ windoze users forget ME, or the BSOD, or the hours upon hours of time spent trying to remove virus's that should have never been there in the first place, or that fact that they paid $100's of dollars for the privilege of being told to "reboot, power off and back on, re-install" by so-called customer support.
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Everyone for whom I have replaced their Windows installation with Linux asked me to do so when they discovered that they were infected, even though their box was up to date with the latest MS updates and the latest AV dat file, AND, since I don't do Windows they had the choice, pay to have their Windows box cleaned, and continue running the risk of getting owned, or allow me to replace Windows with Linux.

Several of them had Keyboard logger Trojans and had to immediately change change their bank passwords and security questions, or close their CC and open a new one. Fortunately, none that I know have lost major money, but in the last month over 100 Windows users in this area had their bank accounts emptied after they used their debit card at a local golf club. The computer that did the financial transaction was a Windows machine with a keyboard logger infection. The police said the machine was current on all protection software.

[chipbennett]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...4049#msg244049

I think you just made my day!

My Maverick LiveUSB is all ready to go. I'll give this a try first thing this evening!

I indeed had to reinstall/reconfigure GRUB. I'm back into my primary installation now. I'll try to write up a blog post over the next few days, detailing what (I think) I did to fix it!

Now, onto the next problem: why WICD no longer finds my wireless network...

[ardvark71]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

"... well known for .." Comparing the operation of Windows with the installation or upgrade of Linux is hardly fair. There are so many assumptions and misunderstandings in that statement I cannot let it go by without a comment.

Hi GreyGeek...

You seem to have taken offense with my post although none was intended. When I said said "ease of use," I did not mean in terms of installation and upgrading but rather everyday use. Actually, I have found the latest versions of Ubuntu/Kubuntu to be easier to install than Windows XP but they come fairly close. But this is just an opinion.

As far as my own personal experience goes, I have found software installation, in general, to be much easier in Windows than in Linux. With Windows, you download an .exe, double click it and it begins an installation process which isn't too difficult for most users to understand. With Linux, any number of things can happen and again, I'm saying overall. I would have to point out my experience trying to install and use my favorite version of moagg as one of many examples. This most likely wouldn't have happened in Windows. The availability of package managers in Linux, although to an extent, limited, is an extremely helpful development as attempting to install from a tarball from a terminal is not my or, I think, most people's idea of a good time.

Is doing things through command line useful and powerful in certain circumstances? Sure. But most people are not going to accept the kind of experiences that I have gone through in trying to get software to install and/or work and they expect a GUI, at all times, to simplify the process. It needs to be predictable and "dependencies" should never be an issue.

I attempted to be fair in my previous post and I did compliment Kubuntu and Linux for it's major improvements in hardware detection and "out of the box" driver installations. I don't consider myself a "fanboi" of any particular OS. I like things about Windows as well as Linux and I don't give unquestioning loyalty to either one. I see the need for improvements in both. I like what works and works easily without a bunch of fuss. My clients expect this. Would I install Kubuntu for a customer? Absolutely, if the expectations and conditions are right.

You are much more knowledgeable about Linux that I am so our perspectives are going to differ but I certainly don't want differing opinions to create animosity or tensions.

Regards...

[GreyGeek]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

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As far as my own personal experience goes, I have found software installation, in general, to be much easier in Windows than in Linux. With Windows, you download an .exe, double click it and it begins an installation process which isn't too difficult for most users to understand. With Linux, any number of things can happen and again, I'm saying overall. ....

When you have to uninstall that EXE you have to go to the control panel, Add and Remove Programs, find it and click remove. Try that with the AOL or Yahoo or Norton Demo and see how well you fair.

With Linux you open Synaptic, locate the app you want to install using the search box. Mark it for installation, and click the Apply button. To remove it you mark it for uninstallation and click the Apply button. You don't have to manually download any file, locate it with a file manager and double click on it. IF you know the name of the app then it is a one line command in the Konsole:
sudo apt-get install appname.

IF there is a difference is is that with Kubuntu you KNOW EXACTLY what is being installed, what the dependencies are and there is no hidden malware. You have access to the source and can verify its integrity, although that is seldom necessary.

IF the Microsoft or the application doesn't want you to remove an app you can't.

Right now, the biggest disservice you can do to your customers is to not inform them of all the risks they are assuming to their personal and financial history by continuing to run Windows.
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PS. NO offense taken, none given

[ardvark71]

Re: and again: the gui upgrade crashed..

PS. NO offense taken, none given

I'm glad, I appreciate your expertise and advice you have given to me and others.

Regards...