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Originally posted by GreyGeek View PostAnyone running Kubuntu 20.04 notice that the "Lock Widgets" option in the right mouse desktop context menu is missing? Oversight or permanent?
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Originally posted by GreyGeek View PostAnyone running Kubuntu 20.04 notice that the "Lock Widgets" option in the right mouse desktop context menu is missing? Oversight or permanent?Originally posted by chimak111 View Post
https://pointieststick.com/2019/10/2...-noble-cashew/
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Originally posted by GreyGeek View PostWhen I installed the 20.04 beta ISO it included snapd by default. Maybe it will be removed by the time it goes gold.
Originally posted by NoWorries View PostI considered this to be a realistic real world test of snap performance which was to say the least, unimpressive.Last edited by kubicle; Jan 27, 2020, 02:11 AM.
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Originally posted by GreyGeek View PostAnyone running Kubuntu 20.04 notice that the "Lock Widgets" option in the right mouse desktop context menu is missing? Oversight or permanent?
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Anyone running Kubuntu 20.04 notice that the "Lock Widgets" option in the right mouse desktop context menu is missing? Oversight or permanent?
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Originally posted by kubicle View PostAs far as the technical issues are concerned, this one sums up some of them quite nicely:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comm..._increasingly/
The snapd version with the improvements is from 2.36.2. The version of snapd that I did the speed test in my post #125 was 2.43, so this is definitely the latest version which is still slow. If this is 6 time faster, the older versions must have been abominably slow.
I should mention that the file I was doing the test on was an impress odp file that had 59 slides with 3 videos. The odp file size was 146.6 MiB. I considered this to be a realistic real world test of snap performance which was to say the least, unimpressive.
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Originally posted by kubicle View Post... Kubuntu, AFAIK, does not install snaps by default, but many gnome apps installed in ubuntu by default are already snaps.
Regardless, it is an easy move to uninstall snapd & chromium-browser.
But, even after doing that I find that after rebooting mount points for chromium-browser continue to be mounted.
Code:snap-chromium-986.mount enabled snap-core18-1650.mount enabled snap-gtk\x2dcommon\x2dthemes-1440.mount enabled
Code:jerry@Aspire-V3-771:~[B]$ systemctl disable snap-chromium-986.mount [/B] Removed /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/snap-chromium-986.mount. jerry@Aspire-V3-771:~[B]$ systemctl disable snap-core18-1650.mount [/B] Removed /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/snap-core18-1650.mount. jerry@Aspire-V3-771:~[B]$ systemctl disable snap-gtk\\x2dcommon\\x2dthemes-1440.mount[/B] Removed /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/snap-gtk\x2dcommon\x2dthemes-1440.mount. jerry@Aspire-V3-771:~$
Last edited by GreyGeek; Jan 26, 2020, 05:56 PM.
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As far as the technical issues are concerned, this one sums up some of them quite nicely:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comm..._increasingly/
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Well, if they don't splash
loop99 7:99 0 888.4M 1 loop /snap/core/7169
all over the filesystem and don't add two seconds at boot each... they're not as bad :·(
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Originally posted by Don B. Cilly View PostThe implementation is absolutely horrible.
To my knowledge flatpaks are like snaps, just backed by different entities. There may be nuanced differences between the two, but just a cursory looksee, that's the biggest that I am getting.
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Originally posted by oshunluvr View PostWhat's the existential issue everyone has with snaps? Is it the extra processes or feeling like it's not controllable or disk space or what
With mentions of filesystem clogging and pathetic boot times.
I also guess no-one bothered to read it (the first post in the thread is enough.)
I have nothing against the idea of self-contained or portable apps. I have no problems with appimages. I have no experience of flatpaks.
The idea of snaps in fine... up to a point.
The implementation is absolutely horrible.
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Originally posted by oshunluvr View PostFor exampe, Etcher is one that is an Appimage for Linux and also available for Windows as a "Portable" executable, which I feel like is the equivalent. Etcher looks, feels, and operates exactly the same in both OSs. I think that's a great thing.
Originally posted by oshunluvr View PostApps as stand-alone packages as a concept I like. It would be nice if they'd settle on one format, but I suspect there are reasons for the various options.
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Only having casually observed commentary (here in KFN) about snaps, is the (sloppy) nature of how snapd handles terminated snap applications; all the mount points that get left?
If the developer(s) could work to ensure that all CRUFT is cleaned up when a snap app is terminated, then maybe those who find snap apps undesirable may think otherwise.
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Interesting discussion, but I'm late in the game so I have questions: What's the existential issue everyone has with snaps? Is it the extra processes or feeling like it's not controllable or disk space or what
I have been looking at snap or flatpak or appimage as yet another way to manage applications and choice is generally good. Being able to install an application in "box' if you will, so that it's not mucking about with my OS is a good thing, right? I've been of the habit to mostly use the old-school processes to install stuff, but I'm old in the Linux world so my defaults are from the previous century. Currently I use a couple apps that are cross-platform and the linux versions are appimages. For exampe, Etcher is one that is an Appimage for Linux and also available for Windows as a "Portable" executable, which I feel like is the equivalent. Etcher looks, feels, and operates exactly the same in both OSs. I think that's a great thing.
GIMP is available as a flatpack but also something called "FINK" which I had not heard of until today.
Apps as stand-alone packages as a concept I like. It would be nice if they'd settle on one format, but I suspect there are reasons for the various options.
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