I am fed up, I've had it with Neon. - multi-monitor and suspend/resume issues

[woodsmoke]

smart man vinny!

It is a hassle but I figure that everybody does installs on hard drives so I thunk that I'd do something different.

woodthankeesmoke

[vinnywright]

Hi
interesting thread.

My only real complaint about Neon Dev stable or unstable is that it has a LOT of updates that take a very long time on my install on a USB stick. If one peruses the net one will see many posts talking about how FAST an install on a USB stick is.

However, all such tend to be of distros which are lean and mean to begin with because the user is a person who literally wants to carry around a usb stick to jam into a windblows computer or is a system admin or something.

Also, it is incredibly SLOW when moving from one "part" of the system to another, such as closing say... a word processor and opening Dolphin.

When when the app finally opens and it can take half a minute, then the speed is fine it is the transition which lags horribly.

But, again, this is on a usb, the phenomenon does not occur when the OS is on a hard drive.

again, an interesting thread.

woodlikesthethreadsmoke

the "phenomenon" your speaking of (slowness on USB) is dew to USB having slower read write speeds than an internal HD ,,,,,,if say you have 3 diferent USB sticks with the same install on all 3 ,,,,,,,,1 a first generation USB stick USB1 , the second a USB2 and the third a USB3 stick ,,,,,,you will see a large difference in speed of loading up a program between the USB1 and USB3 sticks .

when a program is started it gets loaded (written)to RAM from the stick (or HD on a installed to disk system) so the program runs from RAM on a slower drive like USB1 this will take some time ...this is the "lag" you see .

VINNY

[woodsmoke]

Hi
interesting thread.

My only real complaint about Neon Dev stable or unstable is that it has a LOT of updates that take a very long time on my install on a USB stick. If one peruses the net one will see many posts talking about how FAST an install on a USB stick is.

However, all such tend to be of distros which are lean and mean to begin with because the user is a person who literally wants to carry around a usb stick to jam into a windblows computer or is a system admin or something.

Also, it is incredibly SLOW when moving from one "part" of the system to another, such as closing say... a word processor and opening Dolphin.

When when the app finally opens and it can take half a minute, then the speed is fine it is the transition which lags horribly.

But, again, this is on a usb, the phenomenon does not occur when the OS is on a hard drive.

again, an interesting thread.

woodlikesthethreadsmoke

[oldgeek]

For the first time, using the steps indicated above, I decided to update my Linux kernel to 4.10.0-26 and apart from a typo or two it went well. I have two questions: would it have been easier to just tick the boxes in Synaptic? And what differences in performance, if any, should I expect?

[oshunluvr]

Hmm, well for starters, the "i" in the first file was a typo on my end - sorry about that. Should have been "linux..." not "ilinux..."

It looks like the -27 series is still in the "Proposed" PPA

deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-proposed universe restricted multiverse main

As far the .26 version, they changed the names a bit on these two packages:

linux-hwe-edge-cloud-tools-4.10.0-26
linux-hwe-edge-tools-4.10.0-26

[Tahaan]

Hello oshunluvr

I added the packages you named into a text file /tmp/4.10

Then I tried to install them but get package not found errors.

root@komputer:~# apt install $(cat /tmp/4.10)        
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package ilinux-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27-generic
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'ilinux-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'ilinux-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.10.0-27
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-headers-4.10.0-27'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-4.10.0-27'
E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.10.0-27-generic
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-headers-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Unable to locate package linux-hwe-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-hwe-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-hwe-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27'
E: Unable to locate package linux-hwe-tools-4.10.0-27
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-hwe-tools-4.10.0-27'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-hwe-tools-4.10.0-27'
E: Unable to locate package linux-image-4.10.0-27-generic
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-image-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Unable to locate package linux-image-extra-4.10.0-27-generic
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-image-extra-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-extra-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Unable to locate package linux-tools-4.10.0-27-generic
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-tools-4.10.0-27-generic'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-tools-4.10.0-27-generic'

apt search shows that there is 4.10.0-26 but nothing 4.10.0-27. so I edited the text file replacing the 27s with 26es and tried again. I still get errors, just fewer:

root@komputer:~# apt install $(cat /tmp/4.10)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package ilinux-cloud-tools-4.10.0-26-generic
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'ilinux-cloud-tools-4.10.0-26-generic'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'ilinux-cloud-tools-4.10.0-26-generic'
E: Unable to locate package linux-hwe-cloud-tools-4.10.0-26
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-hwe-cloud-tools-4.10.0-26'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-hwe-cloud-tools-4.10.0-26'
E: Unable to locate package linux-hwe-tools-4.10.0-26
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-hwe-tools-4.10.0-26'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-hwe-tools-4.10.0-26'

So I'm probably missing something? You mentioned something about "image-extra" ... Is that related?

Thank you

[oshunluvr]

I need a short guide on how to do this? I assume it is more than just apt install... ? Also what is my regression plan?

Well, not really.

sudo apt install <INSERT LIST OF FILES HERE>

will install all you need. Regression plan is: The installation of a new kernel doesn't remove your old one. Install the above, boot to it, if you don't like it, reboot to the old kernel (select it in GRUB), and remove the above packages.

[Tahaan]

[...snip...]
You know you can manually install 4.10 in KDEneon? [...snip...] Might be worth a try. Note that not all the needed packages will come in with the image, so you have to install all these to get everything:[...snip...]

ilinux-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27-generic 
linux-headers-4.10.0-27 
linux-headers-4.10.0-27-generic 
linux-hwe-cloud-tools-4.10.0-27 
linux-hwe-tools-4.10.0-27 
linux-image-4.10.0-27-generic 
linux-image-extra-4.10.0-27-generic 
linux-tools-4.10.0-27-generic

Which reminds my that I had some issues when I first installed KDEneon because "image-extra" wasn't installed. Might check that too.
...

I need a short guide on how to do this? I assume it is more than just apt install... ? Also what is my regression plan?

[dequire]

Of course, if you're not running proprietary graphics drivers (I'm looking at you, NVidia!), you're free to install any kernel you want. I'm currently running 4.11.8 (released today) on Neon. Zero issues in forever. Most power-type issues are kernel-related, and you might well try a newer kernel before you abandon Neon. Heck, you can try 4.12 rc 8 if you desire. They can all be found here. Might be worth a shot.

I love everything about Neon EXCEPT the older kernels that come from running off of a LTS base. Even the HWE kernels, if enabled, aren't new enough for me. This is simply because RadeonSI has massive patches every new kernel cycle, and many times these newer kernels are needed to play nice with newer Mesa releases. But for a normal user looking to get USB-C functionality working on new hardware, for example, or trying to work out a HW-related bug as the OP is, definitely worth a shot.

[GreyGeek]

KDE Neon User Edition has always been good to me but it became fantastic when I installed nvidia-378 for my secondary Nvidia GT650M, which was immediately make my "primary" driver, even though there is NO bios setting to set my secondary as my primary.

[Tahaan]

I ran Kubuntu for years, ever since I heard the word "Unity", till the day I switched to Neon.

In fact It is still installed and worth just rebooting back to it and upgrading it I guess.

[wartnose]

Have you simply tried Kubuntu? I'm running 16.04 on a Dell Refurb laptop I recently purchased. Zero issues.

[Tahaan]

I'm running Neon user Ed now but I did briefly play with Neon-on-ubuntu for a while. Package management was awful.

[oshunluvr]

I'd want to ask; so I will; how did you install KDE neon? Did you 'add their repository' on top of your existing Kubuntu installation? That was the route very early on. Have you concidered doing a fresh install with a fresh downloaded .iso of KDE neon, either the User or Developer version?

That's a good point...

[Snowhog]

I'd want to ask; so I will; how did you install KDE neon? Did you 'add their repository' on top of your existing Kubuntu installation? That was the route very early on. Have you concidered doing a fresh install with a fresh downloaded .iso of KDE neon, either the User or Developer version?