Friendly evaluate Kubuntu 25.10 Questing Quokka

[tenplus1]

It's good that the X11 session is still available if needed though, and I can see wayland getting much more better that x11 wont be needed. I am however more eager for Plasma 6.4.1 to hit the 25.10 repos

[rec9140]

Um, bye felicia?

I am going to take the high road on this one...

Or is installing a single package all that hard?

NO.. that is not the issue... WHOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHH!

We've been down this path before... Simple remove pulseturdio... ALSA takes back over.. See where that got me/us... Now we are stuck with it, and systemd.

This work around appears to be short life'd as per the statement direct from KDE developer.

Yeah I could/can add the X11 session back.. I still think this is wrong to remove it or not include it, even if you don't make it the default.. I can live with that. You made a wrong decision here, I can simply fix it by choice. I SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE from the start to fix this.. Not have to CHOOSE TO FIX it first.

Wonder what happens when I go sudo apt-get remove kde-session-wayland I betcha 100000:1 it breaks the system! It will be interesting to see what happens in my test VM when I do this.. carnage all over the place... wayvirus has infected the system already just like systemd did.. (Don't give me any lecture about devuan.. that aint a viable option and you know it. )

These headlines are severe clickbait overreactions. x11 should still be in 26.04, at least right now, and I suspect it will be beyond that.
It just won't be installed by default \Excpet for those respins that may still need it (xfce, mate, and others)

NO, they are not "clickbait." You are dismissing legitimate users use case just like the developers of wayturkey did and are. Just cause you think the desktop should not be remote displayed, doesn't mean others don't need it and rely on it. I do, and I will not give up that use case. NO VNC, et al are NOT VIABLE use cases when Remote X11 is faster and can be secured via SSH tunnel. I am doing it right now.

Ummm I think you missed this... and the DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS your statement.

"Kubuntu’s Rik Mills further explains: “It is highly improbable that we can support the X11 session in 26.04 LTS, so Like Ubuntu desktop it is probably better to rip off this sticking plaster in 25.10 and concentrate on Wayland” (sic)."

Thats a stake right through the heart. And your statement. X11 is not going to be around in 26.04, nor will KDE support it. That statement comes direct from the horses mouth.

You have the choice. But you may have to do the work yourself (install a package), or build your own, or migrate to where other like-minded folks have gone?

NO. Why do I HAVE to do the WORK YET AGAIN! No! How about all you do the work for a change. You want to change 40 years worth of operation for new hotness.. then do so over there, out of my way, and LEAVE MY STUFF ALONE.

As long as Debian builds x11, it very likley will be found in Ubuntu. Even if at some point Ubuntu stop actually building it themselves, it will be in Universe, along with all the community-supported packages and ones imported from Debian directly.

I would not put much stock in that at all.


Your whole viewpoint meshes up well with the wayturkery developers and cheerleaders. "Don't like this. get lost!" Well No.. How about you all get lost and go play over there with your new hotness. And leave things over here alone.

I personally hope the X11 fork gains traction.. I am not interested in your dislike on the developer and their viewpoint. I don't share the viewpoints of most tech people on most of the current topics of the day... see the Power Management thread..
This guy is doing WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FROM THE START. FIX X11 to X12.. Like the movie "Fix the problem." You don't kill the patient to cure the disease unless your Dr. Wayland.

We ain't going to agree on this one, or much of anything actually.

[jlittle]

...It is highly improbable that we can support the X11 session in 26.04 LTS,,,,

That's bad news.

I still use stuff daily that can be done with X11 that Wayland decided (as a design goal) I should not be able to do. One day plasma, or rather its compositor, will support these things (I hope) but it's taking a while.

On my 10 year old desktop Wayland has an alpha quality feel about it; graphical glitches and missing functionality.