Power Management Defaults - Who thought this was a good default? - Rant, annoying,

[rec9140]

OK... this is more a rant, venting session than anything...

BUT

Why is the default power mode set to "SUSPEND" on a desktop?? Ok.. you want to set the screen to blank after 10 minutes or something.. but a DESKTOP should NEVER GO TO SUSPEND! EVER. Go ahead do your best to change my mind, I'll wait.. trust me you are wasting your time on this one!

I noticed this lately after doing some upgrades/rebuilds/new builds.. and come back to find the desktop dead.. I nearly stroked out a couple times thinking stuff had failed... I build, install, let them bake awhile .. and come back to find no reaction from a key click, mouse move etc...

I find suspend to be a dubious behaviour even on a laptop, but thats just me... but I can see that a default on a laptop though... BUT DESKTOPS NO WAY! Unless that setting is applied by the user, blanking the monitor etc. is about the only acceptable behaviour..

I honestly wonder who dreams up some of these changes.. As I've seen things change in the default packages, and I just have to go I spend way too much time undo 90% of these changes

Any way... would the person(s) responsible for this please step forward! Ignore the wet noodle I have...

OK.. back to our regular schedule program....

[jlittle]

....a DESKTOP should NEVER GO TO SUSPEND! EVER...

Is electricity free for you?

[claydoh]

a DESKTOP should NEVER GO TO SUSPEND! EVER.

Um, why? Go ahead do your best to change my mind
Worldwide, defaulting to suspend is a sane and logical option to use as a default.

[rec9140]

Is electricity free for you?

No and if that is your only basis, then its not a valid point.

Um, why? Go ahead do your best to change my mind

Ummm.. because I want to be able to SSH in to run stuff on the box, or I want the box to continue to run tasks.

Just as I listed I built/rebuilt etc. boxes, install OS, come back to find them "dead." One of the tasks I use on some is a great "test out" suite is CPU intensive puts things to a good test. When you come back and the box is "dead." On a new/rebuilt box.. you are going ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Nope. My desktops should NOT BE DEFAULTING to anything power saving mode.

Go ahead do your best to change my mind

Worldwide, defaulting to suspend is a sane and logical option to use as a default.

And that ain't changing my mine, nor is the current pricing of electric in my area.

Arguing on "price" is not going to be a valid point with me.

No, my electric is not free, BUT I AM WORKING ON IT! And while cost is a factor in that, its the idea of cutting off the muni run electric thief off is a goal. It also benefits by "de-gridding" it to make it self sufficient is my goal. I currently have eveything on UPS's (a whole home UPS is just too expensive) with enough run time till the standby generator kicks in. I am fortunate that I live in area where building a solar degridding option is possible using the newer power banks out there, solar etc.. and when I need to run on the grid to recharge. Its not a $$$ with me, its a principal of cutting the local muni electric off. I save some $$ on this to put into the ROI on this, great. But $0.01 less to the local muni utility is a good thing.


Having things degridded from the grid and the generator when used would be a plus too.

No solar is not ever going to replace 100% of my needs, or not at a $$ point I will pay, but cutting what I pay for it is.. and nope don't try to turn that around about using suspend. What good is that if I can't SSH in, or tasks are not running. My stuff is not just siting there. Each has tasks they need to do 24/7/365.

Nor is my electric cheap, in comparisons to other areas even in my own area, or state.


But the fact is that I need my stuff to run, and I honestly think a DESKTOP DEFAULTING to suspend is the stupidest idea ever..

Nope these are fails... Go ahead do your best to change my mind

[claydoh]

So... your preferences should be the default
Well, i think mine should all be used. No icons allowed on the desktop, single-click as the default. NO login sounds, Yakuake as the default terminal app, and flatpaks for all non KDE/Qt applications

I don't intend to change your mind, you would need to change other's.



as a side note, when I had a desktop machine, plus my thin client PC as well as a NAS on the network (via Ethernet), I had my desktop and the thin client set to suspend, but used WOL to poke it awake when I decided I needed to ssh into it. A quick bash alias to send the wol, wait a tiny bit, then ssh.

[jlittle]

I asked, Is electricity free for you?

No and if that is your only basis, then its not a valid point.

I'm sorry I don't follow, and I'm sorry about the apparently sarcastic question. But the point is that a desktop that is on but inactive is using electricity, typically a few hundred watts, a rough minimum would be 200. Left on all the time, for someone in the US the electricity cost would be about $300 a year (at 0.18 $/kWh, an average for the US), ignoring heating and cooling. So, suspending after an hour or so seems a sensible default.

[kubicle]

Saving electricity is one objective reason to default to suspending after inactivity. You may have subjective reasons why the default does not work for you, and that's fine...no one needs to convince you to change your mind. The default settings can be easily changet.

But claiming that the defaults (that have sound objective reasoning behind them) are wrong because you want something else doesn't make any sense.

I personally also have a lot of subjective preferences to do things differently than distro defaults, but I don't assume these preferences should be applied to everybody.

[claydoh]

I don't assume these preferences should be applied to everybody.

I do --Single Click is better, and double click should die!!!


I jest of course--maybe

[TinyTim]

"Why is the default power mode set to "SUSPEND" on a desktop?" Is it because they are afraid that those who want their desktop to suspend, don't know how to turn it on? I joke.......... The first thing I do once installing anything is disable the unwanted and to me illogical suspend computer option. Especially when it is so eager to suspend in the middle of critical computations.