"the October Surprise"

[Qqmike]

All this pointless blaming isn't going to make our country any better. Republicans did this! Democrats did that! Like a bunch of little kids.

Ain't that the zhit'n truth.

Anyone can research anything and make a case for anything. Are there no absolute standards of procedure, protocol, format, presentation, documentation? Random noise from human brain. Now toss in the half-truths/lies, whack-jobs, and photoshopping on Internet sources, and, well, just "and" ...

That's why in academia we have peer-reviewed standards for scholarly articles that really are designed to further the established "truth" in a field of study.

[whatthefunk]

All this pointless blaming isn't going to make our country any better. Republicans did this! Democrats did that! Like a bunch of little kids. Im so sick of it.

[woodsmoke]

GG wrote

The KKK was created by Southern Democrats,

I will insert that KENNEDY put us into Viet-Nam with.....ahem..........advisors...

Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and used that lie to start aggressions against the Communists in Viet Nam.

And WHO got us out? NIXON

Following his election, President Nixon began to withdraw American troops from Vietnam in June 1969

BUT THE MEDIA AND THE LEFTIES SAY THAT VIET NAM WAS.........."Nixon's war".


At the same time, the KKK was going around offering its support for Goldwater, who rejected it. Just like today, with provocateurs planted at Trump rallies to foment trouble that the press could blame on Trump, the KKK in the 1960s was considered an undercover tool of the Democrats.


I was in ......a bar............and the topic of the Ferguson riots came up and .....with no prodding....

THE BARKEEP volunteered..........."Hey, you guys know. "john doe"... right? He's being paid by the Democrats in Springfield with two way tickets and a bunch of cash to go up and riot at Ferguson."

The next week I had decided to drop in again and a guy said, "Hey, you missed out on the free drinks! "john doe" was in yesterday and had made so much money rioting that he was buying for everybody at the bar!" :0



BILL CLINTON said:

We come to celebrate and give thanks for the remarkable life of J. William Fulbright, a life that changed our country and our world forever and for the better. . . .

In the work he did, the words he spoke and the life he lived, Bill Fulbright stood against the 20th century’s most destructive forces and fought to advance its brightest hopes.

So spoke President William J. Clinton in 1995 of a man

(who) was among the 99 Democrats in Congress to sign the “Southern Manifesto” in 1956. (Two Republicans also signed it.)

The Southern Manifesto declared the signatories’ opposition to the Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education and their commitment to segregation forever.

Fulbright was also among those who filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That filibuster continued for 83 days.

Democrats Racist History

But....it is actually MUCH more complicated than that:

geography gets involved in rather curious ways....

To sum up the part before below...

As the south became less racist it became more Republican

and

Today, the transformation is nearly complete.

President Obama carried only 18% of former Confederate states, while taking 62% of non-Confederate states in 2012.

Only 27% of southern senators are Democrats, while 62% of Union state senators are Democrats. And 29% of southern members in the House are Democrats compared to 54% in states or territories that were part of the Union.

Thus, it seems to me that minorities have a pretty good idea of what they are doing when joining the Democratic party.

They recognize that the Democratic party of today looks and sounds a lot more like the Democratic party of the North that with near unity passed the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 than the southern Democrats of the era who blocked it,

and today would, like Strom Thurmond, likely be Republicans.

above from the British paper The Guardian

UNfortunately, it seems the the media have little clue about REAL history and the liberals have selective memory, AS DO THE conservatives.

woodpragmatist/populistsmoke

[GreyGeek]

It's obvious he played them like a violin. Inviting them to what they thought was a presser, only to be presented with four victims which they studiously avoiding writing about in the past, except in a negative way if they wrote about them at all. In her ad Hillary says:

"I want to send a message to every survivor of sexual assault. Don't let anyone silence your voice. You have a right to be heard, and a right to be believed. We're with you"

[Qqmike]

Media related issue ... It sure seems clear that the media played a major role in creating this Trump phenomenon/monster by focusing so much attention on him, especially early on. Trump himself said so in an interview; something along the lines of, I get all the media attention I want. All I have to do is call up a reporter and they give me [free] air time.

Did the media create Trump?
https://www.google.com/search?client...utf-8&oe=utf-8

[GreyGeek]

This is downright disgusting and evil

[GreyGeek]

She's not the only creature who is "enthusiastic" about Trump. KKK is also enthused. ...

The KKK was created by Southern Democrats, not Southern Republicans, Blacks or conservatives, who were hunted, shot and killed by the KKK. The first presidential election I voted in was Goldwater v Johnson in 1964. The Democrat political ads said that if I voted for Goldwater there would be war. (You may have seen the ad, a little girl picking pedals off of a daisy while saying "he will, he won't ...", and ends with a nuclear explosion). I voted for him and they were right, there was war. Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and used that lie to start aggressions against the Communists in Viet Nam. At the same time, the KKK was going around offering its support for Goldwater, who rejected it. Just like today, with provocateurs planted at Trump rallies to foment trouble that the press could blame on Trump, the KKK in the 1960s was considered an undercover tool of the Democrats. Also, during the 60's and 70's, the TV industry pitched in, painting Republicans and conservatives as knuckle dragging Neanderthals: Major Burns in Mash, Archie Bunker in All In The Family, The Jeffersons, etc.... The lead characters are always portrayed as extremely intelligent, loving, caring individuals whose personal philosophies are basically socialists. Ergo, conservatives are fools and socialists are smart. The movies were worse.

When I was in college one of the core classes I had to take was Civics. A semester long assignment was to read five national news sources a week and give oral reports on the articles I read. That started my habit of reading NYT, LA Times, Time, Life and others. I watched TV news religiously. My favorite was ABC World News Tonight with Frank Reynolds and Max Robinson (before Peter Jennings showed up). During most of Robinson's tenure, ABC News used the Westar satellite to feed Robinson's segment of WNT from Chicago to New York. TVRO receiver earth stations were also coming into use at the time, and anyone who knew where to find the satellite feeds could view the feed. In the early 80s I was setting up a satellite dish and it was focused on Westar, which I used with one other satellite to align the tracking.

Suddenly I heard "Hail to the Chief" from the 12" TV I used to observe the signal. Recently elected Pres. Reagan was attending a NOW convention to give a speech and received a LONG standing ovation as he walked onto the stage. Perhaps 10 minutes or more. He spoke for about 15 minutes and as his custom was he punctuated his talk with several jokes. All but one received hearty laughs. He concluded his speech and left the stage to another standing ovation, long, but not as long as his first. Since I was watching the ABC news feed I got to watch Reynolds and Robinson discuss how to present the story in such a way as to fit what was obviously a preconceived agenda. I was stunned. What they gave as the news "story" to Reagan's visit was this: "Reagan received mixed reviews at the NOW convention today", and they showed a clip of the only joke that didn't get a laugh. Then they had Elenore Shmeal (sp?) talk for 1:47 about how Reagan was going to grab women by the hair and drag them back into the stone age! For the next year the only news I watched were the satellite news feeds.

Every news organization was doing the same thing, with the same slant. When the suits at ABC and the others got wind of it they put scramblers on their news feeds. That started a small business in EPROM de-scramblers, so the news corps got Congress to pass a law that using importing, making or using de-scramblers was illegal.

Wikileaks has pointed out very clearly that "the key national reporters" were in the tank for Hillary.

[Qqmike]

She's not the only creature who is "enthusiastic" about Trump. KKK is also enthused. Some who are enthused are praising him for a start to legitimatize the possibility of an alt-Right political party.
https://www.google.com/search?client...utf-8&oe=utf-8

[woodsmoke]

Trump Haters turn away. but...

Observe the ABSOLUTELY OVER THE TOP enthusiasm of this woman, a new, legal, citizen from Cuba who is doing the prayer.

1:17:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIKNSZ_Nf3w

if it is a "squeaker" she is just typical of the people who will think that the "election is rigged".
woodsmoke

[woodsmoke]

lol
good one GG!

I had a thought this afternoon.

If it had "just been another Republican" we would have had the "normal" election and, of course, Hillary would have won because the Demicans do one thing very well, they ORGANIZE.. While the Rebuicats form a circular firing squad.

If Hillary wins we really ARE going to "experience" pretty close to the "grand experiment" of socialism. The Bernie people and the far lefties in the media will assure that.

If Trump wins we really ARE going to "experience" full throated "capitalism" and "nationalism".

Both will be on full display,

the Hillary experiment promoted by the lamestream media and decried by the internet and parts of Fox News, and possibly a full bore, NEW "broadcasting system" done by Trump and the rich conservatives.

The Trump experiment will be promoted by the internet and parts of Fox news and possibly by an "extension" of Trump with a new "broadcasting system" financed by the rich conservatives, and of course, continually panned by the lame stream media.

But one thing is for sure, There are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people going to Trumps rallys and watching on the internet.

While Billary can't even keep a crowd when they bring in Jay-Z... after the music the crowd left.

If it is "close" as in hanging chads and Billary wins I think that there will be open revolt by all those hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people who were obviously there for Trump, either that or they secede.

Northern California meeting to secede Nov 5 2016

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/C...t-10594349.php

Which is a continuation of the secession movement that was stopped by WWII

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffer...Pacific_state)

Both of these are DIFFERENT from La Raza wanting to TAKE california

http://036a063.netsolhost.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

I think that if Billary wins there will be few posts arguing about stuff in Linux fora.

I also think that if Trump wins that a lot of the Linux fora will return to the days of the one sided flame wars and the conservative and moderates will just...leave...

which would be JUST FINE with the vast majority of Linux folks.

Except maybe a a certain forum which is better than toast with jam!

woodlotsafun!smoke

[GreyGeek]

Regardless of who wins this election, the people will get the president they deserve.
(How's that for cynicism?)

[Qqmike]

I've come to the conclusion that a lot of this political stuff comes down to education -- the lack thereof. Many people simply fail to educate themselves on the issues or on the candidates.

Certainly, the news media could do a better job helping to educate voters. PBS tries. But voters nowadays have many nearly-almost-mostly-pretty-much-objective sources to consult. I can't believe how many people don't even plan to vote. I can't believe how many people can't tell you WHY they are voting for a certain candidate--not that they consider it private^*, but that they have no clue what that candidate represents.

This involves human beings. It will never be perfect. But we have a long ways to go before we place the perfection deficit delta under a microscope.

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.

Albert Einstein

^* My dad always told me there are two things you shouldn't ask people: how much money they earn; and how they vote. Of course, he also told me not to discuss politics or religion in public because it just causes too much conflict.

[woodsmoke]

Bravo GG

Something else that occurred to me on this is:

a) There really IS a group of people who "just take what people say as what they mean".

b) There really IS a group of people who ABSOLUTELY THINK that she or he "is so intelligent that I KNOW "what they meant" ".

The second group are examples of the same people who:

a) thought...Oh Hitler didn't REALLY mean what he WROTE in Mein Kampf.
b) Marx didn't really mean what he wrote
c) Stalin didn't really mean what he wrote
d) Kruschev didn't really mean what he said when he took off his shoe and beat the table at the U.N. with it.

and what is HILARIOUSLY ironic for Hillary is that she went after Gaddafi but probably DID NOT READ HIS BOOK: The Green Book:

Contents

The Green Book consists of three parts and has 110 pages with 200 words or more on each page.[7]

The Solution of the Problem of Democracy: The Authority of the People (published in late 1975)
The Solution of the Economic Problem: Socialism (published in early 1977)
The Social Basis of the Third International Theory (published in September 1981)

Views

The Green Book rejects modern liberal democracy based on electing representatives as well as capitalism. Instead, it proposes a type of direct democracy overseen by the General People's Committee which allows direct political participation for all adult citizens.[7][8]

The book states that

"Freedom of expression is the natural right of every person, even if they choose to behave irrationally, to express his or her insanity."

[9] The Green Book states that freedom of speech is based upon public ownership of book publishers, newspapers, television, and radio stations, on the grounds that private ownership would be undemocratic.[7]

A paragraph in the book about abolishing money is similar to a paragraph in Frederick Engels' "Principles of Communism,"[10] Gaddafi wrote: "The final step is when the new socialist society reaches the stage where profit and money disappear. "It is through transforming society into a fully productive society, and through reaching in production a level where the material needs of the members of society are satisfied. On that final stage, profit will automatically disappear and there will be no need for money."[11]

Well.....he did not really live up to those ideals....he was killing people like flies....

Why, by jingers...........TRUMP has said that he would have left Gaddafi alone or just gone in and "done it right" instead of leaving Billary's QUAGMIRE.....

Why....by jingers...... what he WROTE is what a LOT of Linux people say should be done....

The only problem is that the group who "think he wouldn't REALLY JUST KILL EVERYBODY. ...nobody would do that!! were kinda wrong! lol

I actually READ Mein Kampf and Das Kapital ( in english translations) and.....Goebble's Biology book in which he twisted Darwinian evolution when I was in HIGH SCHOOL....

I challenge anyone here to actually find a copy of that book, ain't gonna happen.

Digital data is "fungible" by the people in power.

Maybe that is why "one side" always well, knowledge is relative.

tell that to a man or woman who escaped the ovens.

woodsmoke

[GreyGeek]

"the October Surprise"

From Snopes:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

Obama doesn't answer the question she asked. She is calling illegal immigrants "citizens", and as "citizens" says "THEY" are fearful of voting, as if they have a right to vote, which they do not. The idea that merely working and paying taxes in this country makes one a citizen is absurd, and does an injustice to those who entered this country legally and followed the rules to citizenship, which includes taking and passing a class on our history, our Constitution, our branches of government, learning ENGLISH AND taking an oath of allegiance. Those who enter this country and then use the deliberately relaxed laws about driver's licenses to obtain a voter registration ID have not complied with the above requirements. IF this travesty is allowed to stand and continue then we will have destroyed our own sovereignty and cease to exist as free people governed by the rule of law under the Constitution. Those that push for this outcome are also pushing to replace our Constitution with the UN "Constitution" in their drive for "One World Government". Walter Cronkite received the World Federalists Association (OWG) award in 1999, and was complimented by Hillary from the WhiteHouse.

Here is a big concern:

[MoonRise]

Remember, while we are fighting among ourselves, there are enemies within (domestic terrorists and the like) and outside who are after us to either destroy us or to surpass us (e.g., in military, education, space exploration, science and technology, etc.).

I agree but we have to many Far Left and Right individuals who don't see it that way. It's their way or no way, so we continue that silly fight while all the while the enemy has passed us and likely already have. Gone are the days where middle ground is the goal.