"the October Surprise"

[TWPonKubuntu]

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Im not trying to justify the destructive protests going on or anything, but lets not forget that both sides get angry when the other side wins.

Yes, and we call it "politics", when we're being polite...

[whatthefunk]

People have such short memories....

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/11/1...college-tweets

Trump after the 2012 election:

We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!

My Facebook timeline was filled with Republican friends and family saying 'Not my president' and complaining about the electoral college.

Im not trying to justify the destructive protests going on or anything, but lets not forget that both sides get angry when the other side wins.

[GreyGeek]

Protesters are "spontaneous" events of "local citizens"?

The protests are not organic as the media would like you to believe. They are being organized by a Soros-funded group, MoveOn.org, the same group that organized the BLM protests, just like Soros also funded the organizations behind the so-called 'Arab Spring'. MoveOn.org took credit for the protests.

Block after block after block of parked buses, and that doesn't count those outsiders who arrived by train.

Most working, tax-paying Americans do not have time to spend all day protesting and all night tearing up the community.

[Qqmike]

The "protesters" are complaining that Hillary should have won because she had more popular votes.

That's not the rules of the game. The rules are: Determination by Electoral College. Trump won by the rules. Protesters have no ground to complain. Notice that HRC is not complaining about how the result was determined. End of story, imo.

Speculation: What if HRC had won the Electoral College but Trump won the popular? Would Trump have claimed "Rigged!"?

I'll have a look at your vid a little later, need to rest the reading/viewing eyes for awhile.

[GreyGeek]

An Electoral College primer

The "protesters" are complaining that Hillary should have won because she had more popular votes. What they are advocating, but don't know it, is the destruction of the Republic and creation of a direct democracy. Can you name a single direct democracy that exists today? In previous times? Ancient Greece was one, Rome was another, for a while. Here is why they didn't last, and why the Electoral College protects minority rights:

[GreyGeek]

Yes, I caught that "just make us all look good" business! The other dodged issue was the immigrant ... "nothing too hard" ...

Yup, those are the smoking guns. Their collaboration with Trump totally destroys the arguments they made against Kristol's accusations that they weren't hard enough on Trump. Well, I guess they don't claim to be reporters, but at least one could expect them to be honest with the viewers.

[Qqmike]

Yes, I caught that "just make us all look good" business! The other dodged issue was the immigrant ... "nothing too hard" ...

[GreyGeek]

Interesting. Maybe I've been exposed to too much of this stuff! but not quite sure what you mean about

The Podesta emails had examples of reporters coordinating their stories and questions with Hillary or her people. One even called himself a hack and asked Podesta to approve of a favorable story he was writing about Hillary.

At the 5:00 mark you will hear Morning Joe's co-host asking Trump if what she's writing is ok. "Sure", he said, "just make us all look good". So, on-air, they are die hard anti-Trumpites, but off air its another story.

[Qqmike]

I caught at least a couple things, esp the question he dodged ... Nothing surprises me anymore!

[Qqmike]

Interesting. Maybe I've been exposed to too much of this stuff! but not quite sure what you mean about

You'll know what I mean.

[GreyGeek]

Qqmike, you have to listen to this video I found a few minutes ago. I've marked it to start at nearly the beginning of an audio portion of a conversation between Trump, "Morning Joe", and his co-host. You won't believe it. Then back up the tape a minute or so before the audio and hear Joe pontificate on how he just wants the facts, etc.... (Ignore Kristo, he's just a blow hard) Pay careful attention to the audio at the 5:00 mark. You'll know what I mean.

[Qqmike]

You must have been too young to witness the 1965-1975 era.

Actually I do remember those years, was also in grad school 1971-1977. I was really thinking more recent, like Internet-era.

Conservatives appear "Far Right" because most Democrats have moved so far Left

I think of Far Right as Tea Party/ Freedom Party types. "Most" Democrats? I don't think so. Most Democrats are moderate, IMO, or at least want to be moderates.

All that hype about Trump being dangerous

He could be dangerous in inciting violent riots (civil unrest) by saying things that are too "off" socially.

As I suspected, Trump has already begin to spin around.

And that is my question -- challenge. What do you want to bet that he ends up in reality as a moderate: a liberal GOP or a conservative Democrat in his actions?

Illegals have been getting free health care at emergency rooms for years, something I cannot get, because it's mandated by the government, but not funded. Many hospitals have shut down their emergency rooms because of the financial drain.

I'm peeved at this because a big percent of our property taxes go to fund a local state University hospital which delivers much of its patient services to indigents, illegals, people without health insurance, the ER being a very big issue locally. I've always maintained health insurance on myself and wife--even self-employed and paying high monthly premiums (that I really struggled at times to pay). But, as we know, no one said any of this is fair.

[GreyGeek]

I have never seen the liberals/progressives as mobilized and determined as I have since HRC lost to Trump.

How old are you?

You must have been too young to witness the 1965-1975 era. I was in grad school during the first part and teaching physics and math at a small midwest college during the second half. What's happening today is child's play. Back then Bill Ayers (Obama's buddy) was head of the Weathermen Underground and was planting bombs around the country. He was and is an unrepentant Marxist whose goal was to overthrow our government and replace it with a Socialist form. He never apologized, and never paid the price for his violence. His wife, Dorn, planned and planted the bomb that killed a policeman but avoided conviction for murder on a technicality. In 1968 the Chicago Eight successfully led the capture of the Democrat Party at their convention. It quickly shifted to the Left end of the political spectrum. This is demonstrated by Howard Dean's message to the Party of European Socialist (PES) just before their 2009 convention. Bill Clinton spoke at that meeting and explained how "Progressive causes in America, Europe and around the world had difficulty following the collapse of the Soviet Union". I wonder why that was?

The far-Rights in Congress had better hang on for another hard ride. As I've said, Trump won fairly (AFAIK), and so we owe it to the country to stand with him as the Prez and root for his success. But this ain't over, this political divide. And it's complicated. Ironically, Trump can not get away with wholesale mistreatment of the lower classes and middle class without angering BIG TIME his own base! He must deliver some sort of liberal or at least moderate agenda. Any bets? Anyone bet that Trump will try to go it alone without/against Paul Ryan and his like?

Conservatives appear "Far Right" because most Democrats have moved so far Left that nearly everyone on the political spectrum is to the right of them. The Left's attempt to juxtapose Conservatives with the KKK is ludicrous. The KKK was created by Democrats to sustain the Democrats political hold on the South and prevent Blacks from exercising their Constitutional rights, and Sen Byrd, a former KKK leader, was embraced by Hillary Clinton. The worst thing that happened to the Blacks was the 1968 Great Society Act. It reversed years of rising literacy, drove Black fathers out of their homes and created several generations of dependent children raised by their grandmothers. It was created, according to Johnson, to "keep them *** voting Democrat for the next 100 years" but it has also sucked in other races as well. Instead of the Great Society it became the grate society, creating lots of homelessness.

All that hype about Trump being dangerous is just blather coming from the Leftist media. You know, the ones who attended a dinner on April 9, 2015 and April 10, 2015 at Hillary's campaign manager's house, a month before she announced, to discuss who's going to be riding with Hillary on her bus, and other "reporting" tactics.

... But I really think that Trump may surprise us all and begin to turn things around for all/most of the people. We'll see ... because some of his campaign rhetoric was downright confusing (at best).

As I suspected, Trump has already begin to spin around. According to some press reports (how much can you trust them after learning that they were in the tank for Hillary and not honest at all?) he is already thinking about hanging onto some aspects of the ACA. He's crazy if he does. That hybrid beast should be killed. Either get the government entirely out of health care, except to regulate it, or establish a one-payer system with the government being the payer. Then we'll be in the same mess that Canada, England and France are in.

Illegals have been getting free health care at emergency rooms for years, something I cannot get, because it's mandated by the government, but not funded. Many hospitals have shut down their emergency rooms because of the financial drain.

Here's one (I'm posting it actually without reading it in detail yet, but I've read such things in opinion blogs for quite some time now and some of you have done a similar analysis in the past):

I'm fairly confident that all 10 of those "brain exploding" points can be busted by the same way they were created, cherry picking the sources. For example, Forbes reported that Obama's and Pilosi's 2010 proposed budget, passed by a Democrat controlled Congress, had a 22% increase in deficit spending, not the 1.4% the Kos article claims. However, with careful cherry picking, and using lies, white lies, and statistics, I can cite an article which shows Obama had a -1.4% decrease! All that digital glad-handing vaporizes when one realizes that the first Obama/Pilosi budget called for $1.35 Trillion in deficit spending!. (The graphs in that last link are from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The current political strife is nothing compared to what has gone on in the past. A couple hundred years ago politicians had fights on the floor of Congress, and engaged in duels. They were passionate about their politics and so are we!

[Qqmike]

I have never seen the liberals/progressives as mobilized and determined as I have since HRC lost to Trump. The far-Rights in Congress had better hang on for another hard ride. As I've said, Trump won fairly (AFAIK), and so we owe it to the country to stand with him as the Prez and root for his success. But this ain't over, this political divide. And it's complicated. Ironically, Trump can not get away with wholesale mistreatment of the lower classes and middle class without angering BIG TIME his own base! He must deliver some sort of liberal or at least moderate agenda. Any bets? Anyone bet that Trump will try to go it alone without/against Paul Ryan and his like? Fact is, perhaps Ryan is the dangerous one amongst them, as he would hope to dismantle programs like Medicare, and he has the budgeting knowledge to attempt such things. How many people receiving and depending on Soc Sec do you know who are happy with their 0% (or 0.4%) legal annual increases against their increasing costs of living? Liberals own guns, too, ya know. But I really think that Trump may surprise us all and begin to turn things around for all/most of the people. We'll see ... because some of his campaign rhetoric was downright confusing (at best).

Here's one (I'm posting it actually without reading it in detail yet, but I've read such things in opinion blogs for quite some time now and some of you have done a similar analysis in the past):

Ten True Facts Guaranteed to Short-Circuit Republican Brains

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...wed-america-is

[TWPonKubuntu]

GG That's not just a web, it is the swamp which needs draining...

What mess, no wonder so few people wade into politics these days.