Yet Another evolution article on Slashdot

[bsniadajewski]

"Bosnian and Serb..."

What about Poles and Germans ?

[rms]

What a coincidence! We're talking about evolution and what not, and there is a new Through the Wormhole on Science Channel. This episode is called "Is There a Superior Race" dealing with DNA, differences (and similarities) in the races within humanity. A very interesting show it is.

"Bosnian and Serb..."

My grandmother had in her yard a wild apple. It gave plentiful yield of small inconspicuous but incredibly tasty fruit each year. Nothing affected it(except harsh winters) and it didn't require any tending. Now we have apples which have been tempered with by man, looking delicious and weighing half a pound. But it needs to be treated with chemicals several times each season to preserve the fruit.

Once scientists & bureaucrats start modifying our genome to *improve* us, we're done for.

[bsniadajewski]

Yes, well, you seem to be talking about bureaucrats... that's what they do and how they earn their bread and butter.

EU is not free from it either. For instance, you cannot brew your own rakia, piglets must grow in precisely defined conditions, cows can eat milled bones and meat of other cows...

To quote an anonymous joker: "Who doesn't go crazy here (in this world) is not normal!"

I must be normal then

[bsniadajewski]

What a coincidence! We're talking about evolution and what not, and there is a new Through the Wormhole on Science Channel. This episode is called "Is There a Superior Race" dealing with DNA, differences (and similarities) in the races within humanity. A very interesting show it is.

@rms Yes, that does look like a bare island.

[rms]

one can now amend my previous post to include:



popcorn, milk shakes....and OMG.... the Frasier bros will absolutely DIE....LATTES!!!

Please remember that I have often said......when will "they" come after something YOU.....like...?

Yes, well, you seem to be talking about bureaucrats... that's what they do and how they earn their bread and butter.

EU is not free from it either. For instance, you cannot brew your own rakia, piglets must grow in precisely defined conditions, cows can eat milled bones and meat of other cows...

To quote an anonymous joker: "Who doesn't go crazy here (in this world) is not normal!"

[woodsmoke]

one can now amend my previous post to include:

"The popcorn isn't a whole lot better than the soda," he said.

Another member suggested limits for milkshakes and "milk-coffee beverages."

popcorn, milk shakes....and OMG.... the Frasier bros will absolutely DIE....LATTES!!!

Please remember that I have often said......when will "they" come after something YOU.....like...?

[woodsmoke]

rms wrote:

Goli Otok where they, who survived, mastered the art of stonemasonry.

rms it saddens my heart greatly to report this, but I have asked, probably half, of my classes over the past several years....

I only do it when there is an apropos moment ....

"Who has heard of the Gulags, or the "salt mines" or some stuff like that.....

And the ONLY people who ever raise their hands.....are usually up into their late thirties....

Nobody knows about Aleksandr Solzhenitsy

All of that has been erased from the educational memory of history books in the U.S. or if it is discussed, it is dismissed as an aberration and especially an aberration of the conservative, paranoid, mindset.

In biology books, Lysenkoism has disappeared, the evolution frauds have disappeared, ...in other words.....a scientist can do no wrong and is as close to god as people are going to get to save them from all the evils of the world...

But, one has to also give credit to where credit is due..... AGW has disappeared also.

In the physical sciences cold fusion has disappeared, along with "aether" and other miscellany.....again.......the scientist can do no wrong....

especially when working for the government.......

any scientist working for private industry is well,,,,,,,,,,,,, nothing but a paid stooge for capitalism.

Even when I was in high school, the "educationists" really looked with a very SUSPECT eye at FFA. After all, it is "private" ....not government controlled..... and the 4H was kind of suspect also.

The "Democrats" have tried to get rid of FFA for decades, while grudgingly going along with 4H....

Why would that be....? Well, both organizations teach..............independence of thought........the students DO things instead of "playing like they do something".....

The labor department is now going at in another way....

http://www.wfaa.com/news/education/F...149136515.html

Anything to get more control to the government and this under a supposedly liberal administration....

One definition of liberalism:

Liberalism is a political ideology that thinks that an individual is free from all interferences and restrictions.

However, in modern liberalism, that does not apply to anything associated with "being conservative", or "business", or watching a cable channel which is not on the approved list, such as Fox News.

Now, the immediate riposte is "yeah but..."...."look at what Catholic Church has done"...etc...

But the argument falls flat on it's face.

By definition, according to the modern liberal thought: anything "conservative/church related/business related" is "restrictive and authoritarian".

Ipso facto then one would EXPECT all those evil conservatives and churchy people to want to RESTRICT anything one does....so they can go to heaven and the businesses can make big money...

But..... since the definition of liberalism above states: the individual is free from all interferences and restrictions ......

it raises the question of why "the liberals"( who want unrestricted freedoms) want to shut down talk radio and Fox News, and also want to stop the sales of 32 ounce sodas.



U.S. history is being rewritten on a massive scale.

woodsmoke

[rms]

So, almost like Stalin, but somewhat less paranoid?

Not less, just with a better guise.



Those who didn't like him, at one time, where sent on a free vacation to Goli Otok where they, who survived, mastered the art of stonemasonry.

[bsniadajewski]

@woodsmoke

That is a very interesting read.

[bsniadajewski]

... cause we where not living in communism/socialism under Tito but in some strange concoction which was in it's nature a dictature and Tito was a cult(not really, most people were unwilling to pay the price of speaking their minds). ...

So, almost like Stalin, but somewhat less paranoid?

(BTW, I'm loving this conversation about ... evolution, socialiam, Yugoslavia and religion. Interesting combo)

[rms]

It seemed that only after Milošević (speaking of bad apples) took over did things really start unravelling. I'm getting it from the Wikipedia article on Yugoslavia, looking at its more recent history (just before the breakup.)

Integration works best if all parts [in this case all the various ethnicities] are respected and treated equally.

I have the opinion that there was more than one bad apple. They were all(the presidents of 6 republics, all party men hungry for power), to greater or lesser degree, fighting for power trying to become another Tito cause we where not living in communism/socialism under Tito but in some strange concoction which was in it's nature a dictature and Tito was a cult(not really, most people were unwilling to pay the price of speaking their minds).

You can imagine when, Tito died, how attractive this supreme position was for the bad apples. But since nobody of them could get the upper hand, they decided to ruin it and become caliphs in their backyards and that was easiest to accomplish by raising chauvinism and xenophobia. Sadly, the tactics worked and the rest of it is known.

As for respect and good treatment, some people appear to be childish even in adult age. No matter how much you give of both, in goodwill, they always feel they are maltreated because they have this soap-bubble-opinion-imagination that they are very, very special.

[woodsmoke]

I forgot to post this essay: on the muddying of the waters in terms of the terms socialist and liberalism/liberal and communism

it is short and worth a read.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...onah-goldberg#

woodsmoke

[woodsmoke]

You and I are in complete agreement that both sides can have extremes.

woodsmoke

[SteveRiley]

It would appear that you view liberalism as a category, and communism as an instance of a thing in that category. I guess here's where we would disagree. Liberalism derives, of course, from liberty, which we all equate to a form of freedom.

I agree with you about the nanny-state garbage. But conservative/capitalist regimes can be just as guilty of drinking the control kool-aid. Consider, for example, conservatism's unhealthy fascination with what consenting adults choose to do behind closed doors. If the government has no business poking around inside my wallet, then it has no business poking around inside my bed, either.

[woodsmoke]

SR.
I think that most folks would agree that Marx states that "capitalism/conservatism" must end up on the ashpile of history.

Therefore the only other alternative to "conservatism" is "liberalism", if one discounts "libertarianism".

Marx wanted to destroy capitalism/conservatism, so one does not "start" with what one wants to destroy. The opposite of capitalism/conservatism is "liberalism".

So..the beginning liberals are replaced/forced into, more and more extreme liberalism, these people are more and more vehemently against conservatism/capitalism... Marx himself outlined the progression to socialism, Marxism and then Communism.

Communists want state ownership of the means of production. Communists "say" that they want everyone to be equal, nobody gets a dacha unless everybody gets a dacha.

Of course that is not what has happened in ANY case where capitalism/conservatism was replaced by "another system" and the other system, by definition starts with liberalism, which, as propounded by the President himself villifies everything there is about capitalism.

And then he goes and asks for campaign donations from the very capitalists he villifies.

I don't know that the "most" of the present day "liberals" in the U.S. "want" to actually "destroy" capitalism, I think they want to get enough of it destroyed that somehow they get to keep their nice incomes because they "should"....since they are smarter than all those "other people"... just destroy "enough" of it to make them feel like they are in control.

What they don't understand is just what Calvin showed in Geneva... he was going around counting the number of women's shoes in their closets and the height of the heels because it was bad for their soul. Calvin being an example of a hyper conservative. The women just hid their shoes.

What do we see now with liberalism? A law forcing people to not buy a 32 ounce drink because it is bad for people's waistline. However they can just buy two 16 ounce drinks and double the amount of trash in the landfills.

The problem with either extreme position is that the people at the "beginnings" of it think...."oh it will never happen to ME!".

But the simple fact of the matter is that in no communist country which killed untold thousands of people.....did they start with the "premise" that the "new order" would be one of "conservatism/capitalism" .they wanted to destroy it and produce a more.....liberal society, free of the wicked capitalists.

woodsmoke