Kwallet problems keep me out of Kmail

[vinnywright]

it should as simple as shutting it off, in the GUI somewhere

you can ,,,,,it is as simple as Kickoff>applications>system>Kwalletmanager>setting s>configure wallet ,,,, and uncheck the "enable the KDE wallet subsystem" line and click "apply"
I have never had the wallet bother me after doing this ,,,,,,,never.

VINNY

[tek_heretik]

I would think "privacy savy" people would rather use kwallet (with encryption) than let individual applications store passwords in their configs...this is usually done in plain text or more often with weak hashing.

I see your point, perhaps it's the name (wallet) that alarms people, if somebody got a hold of my actual physical wallet, the one with my credit cards, etc in it, I would be toast, burnt toast identity theft and fraud wise.

[kubicle]

Privacy savvy people like us don't want the wallet storing anything

I would think "privacy savy" people would rather use kwallet (with encryption) than let individual applications store passwords in their configs...this is usually done in plain text or more often with weak hashing.

[tek_heretik]

Please delete this duplicate post

Please delete this duplicate post

[tek_heretik]

As we are not exactly sure how applications may behave without the wallet system present, I'm not convinced removing it is a good idea. You can essentially make the wallet invisible by configuring it not to have a password. Now, applications that want to store items in the wallet can do so, and you will not be bothered by its prompts. This is how I run all my KDE setups.

Privacy savvy people like us don't want the wallet storing anything, this is where the problem lies, it should as simple as shutting it off, in the GUI somewhere or Startup and Shutdown options, etc. I personally don't use wallet and avoid KDE apps that will insist I do for that reason, I'm waiting for the day when I read a new thread from a 'victim' stating their 'wallet' was compromised, I know KDE/LInux is a small 'target audience' but stranger things have happened.

[SteveRiley]

As we are not exactly sure how applications may behave without the wallet system present, I'm not convinced removing it is a good idea. You can essentially make the wallet invisible by configuring it not to have a password. Now, applications that want to store items in the wallet can do so, and you will not be bothered by its prompts. This is how I run all my KDE setups.

[cdupree]

I was having lots of trouble with Kwallet and that was naturally interfering with other applications, so I started using KeePassX and so far I like it a lot. The problem was I couldn't get rid of Kwallet. Things I tried that each failed in various ways to fix the problem:

• turning off the wallet feature in Kickoff-> Applications-> System-> KDE Wallet Manager-> Settings-> Configure Wallet
• removing these two kwallet files and starting over:
  ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
  ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc
  
• using Synaptic to remove kwalletmanager and reinstall
• purging kwalletmanager with 'sudo apt-get purge kwalletmanager'
• using 'ps -ef | grep wallet' to find kwalletd in /usr/bin/kwalletd and remove it
• nevertheless finding kwalletd running through KSysGuard and seeing that after killing the process I was able to use KeePassX and do operations normally
• rebooting and seeing the same old KDE Daemon window asking for my wallet password and refusing to accept the correct one
• turning off any saving of sessions or automatic starting of applications
• using the locate database to find more related files and deleting these:
  /usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4
  /usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4.10.5
  /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kwalletd.so

And that did it, finally. For good measure I deleted /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop, did a 'sudo apt-get clean', and checked /var/cache/apt/archives/ but found nothing there that looked relevant (interesting, though, h/t Vinny!). Now I can reboot or log out and back in without interference from Kwalletmanager, I didn't have to remove the Personal Information Manager (PIM) of Kontact, Kmail, and so on, and at this point everything seems hunky-dory.

Many thanks, as always, to those who helped me find the path that worked!

[tek_heretik]

kdesudo dolphin

Navigate to /usr/share/autostart/

Pesky things hide in there, things you/I don't want starting.

[vinnywright]

you may want to get rid of the /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop as well
and do a

sudo apt-get clean

I see you still have the 2 wallet .deb's in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so who knows what elce is in their ,,, APT keeps the .deb's you install their ,,,,,,all of them so after a mager update like KDE-4.10 to 4.11 it can become quite large

the "apt-get clean" will remove them .

VINNY

[Snowhog]

The locate database gets updated only once per day/reboot (one or the other). I always update it's database after making changes:

updatedb

[cdupree]

locate apparently didn't generate an up-to-date database because /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletd was no longer there, I'd deleted it earlier today. I deleted the other three Snowhog recommended. The first reboot was weird, with a window that looked like the wallet one but had no content sitting for quite a while and me unable to get out with Ctrl-Sh-Del. So I turned off the machine and turned it back on, and now things seem to be working well with no evidence of kwallet.

Thanks, everyone! If this continues to work I'll soon mark this thread solved.

[Snowhog]

Here's what I get:

/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4
/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4.10.5
/usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kwalletd.so
/usr/share/app-install/desktop/kwalletmanager:kde4__kwalletmanager.desktop
/usr/share/app-install/icons/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/256x256/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletd
/usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop
/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kwalletrc
/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kcmkwallet.mo
/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kwalletd.mo
/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kwalletmanager.mo
/usr/share/mime/application/x-kwallet.xml
/var/cache/apt/archives/kwalletcli_2.11-2_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kwalletmanager_4%3a4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb

The offender is:

/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletd

If you remove this (as root), your problem should be resolved. I would also be inclined to remove these as well:

/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4
/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4.10.5
/usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kwalletd.so

[Snowhog]

Must be. The actual program is mlocate (edited my post to reflect that), but the CLI program name is locate. I can't find in my logs where I installed mlocate, so I guess it gets installed by default.

[cdupree]

Here's what I get:

/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4
/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4.10.5
/usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kwalletd.so
/usr/share/app-install/desktop/kwalletmanager:kde4__kwalletmanager.desktop
/usr/share/app-install/icons/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/256x256/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletd
/usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop
/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kwalletrc
/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kcmkwallet.mo
/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kwalletd.mo
/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kwalletmanager.mo
/usr/share/mime/application/x-kwallet.xml
/var/cache/apt/archives/kwalletcli_2.11-2_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kwalletmanager_4%3a4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb

[vinnywright]

sory @Snowhog we are having the same thoughts ,,,,,,,but is not locate a default app. ?

VINNY