Kwallet problems keep me out of Kmail

[vinnywright]

do

locate wallet

and see how much of it is left on your system ,,,,,,I cant beleave it is still opening if you removed/purged all of it ??

VINNY

[Snowhog]

If kwalletmanager is purged, then there is no reason (that I can fathom) why any part of it would be available to run under any condition. Open a console and type:

sudo install mlocate

This is a nice CLI search utility. You'll be asked if you want to run it as yourself or globally. I suggest globally, but it's up to you. Once the database is created/refreshed, type:

locate kwallet

If it is installed (still), you should have a listing very similar to this:

/home/paul/.kde/share/apps/kwallet
/home/paul/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
/home/paul/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc
/usr/bin/kwalletd
/usr/bin/kwalletmanager
/usr/include/kwallet.h
/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4
/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.4.11.1
/usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kwallet.so
/usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kwalletd.so
/usr/share/app-install/desktop/kwalletmanager:kde4__kwalletmanager.desktop
/usr/share/app-install/icons/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/applications/kde4/kwalletmanager-kwalletd.desktop
/usr/share/applications/kde4/kwalletmanager.desktop
/usr/share/doc/kwalletmanager
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/application-request-to-open-wallet.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/common
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/first-open-request.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/index.cache.bz2
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/index.docbook
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/kwallet-applications.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/kwallet-edit.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/openwallet-request.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/oxygen48-status-wallet-closed.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/oxygen48-status-wallet-open.png
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kwallet/save-login-information.png
/usr/share/doc/kwalletmanager/TODO
/usr/share/doc/kwalletmanager/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/kwalletmanager/copyright
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/kwalletmanager2.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kwalletmanager2.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kwalletmanager2.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kwalletmanager2.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/kwalletmanager2.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/256x256/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/kwalletmanager.png
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletd
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletd/kwalletd.notifyrc
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager/icons
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager/kwalletmanager.rc
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager/icons/hicolor
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager/icons/hicolor/22x22
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/folder_closed.png
/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwalletmanager/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/folder_open.png
/usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletconfig.desktop
/usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop
/usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletmanager_show.desktop
/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kwalletrc
/usr/share/mime/application/x-kwallet.xml
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kwalletmanager.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kwalletmanager.md5sums

Let's see what it reports on your system.

[cdupree]

After purging kwalletmanager there is no System Settings > Account Details > KDE Wallet > Wallet Preferences in System Settings. In fact there is no System Settings > Account Details > KDE Wallet.

[Snowhog]

Have you checked System Settings > Account Details > KDE Wallet > Wallet Preferences to ensure it isn't checked? If it is checked, uncheck it.

[cdupree]

Thanks again to all responders for your attempts at assistance!

Vinny, I tried disabling the wallet system as you describe but it had no effect on my problem. Then I purged kwalletmanager so I now have nothing in Kickoff->Applications->System that I can use to shut off any wallet stuff.

Snowhog, I cleared everything off the list of applications for startup and checked Start with an empty session. When I reboot only one window pops up: Kwallet.

When I use KSysGuard to end the kwalletd process I get the situation I want, where I can use KeePassX to save passwords for encrypted disks and so on. So it is possible to get things working, but I have to kill kwalletd every time I boot. Do I have to dump the PIM?

[vinnywright]

Unfortunately this doesn't work, I tried it before I went to the lengths of purging Kwalletmanager. Simply turning it off in System Settings didn't affect the problem. I just looked in Startup & Shutdown-->Service Manager (didn't know to look there, thanks!) but I didn't see anything that seemed relevant. At this point I've removed the wallet software as far as Muon/Synaptic are concerned and there's nothing about it in System Settings. But the damn thing still runs!

are you sure you "disabled" the wallet subsystem ?? it is not in system settings , it is in Kickoff>applications>system , and it is imposable for it to bother you if the subsystem is off.
check again!!

VINNY

[tek_heretik]

See http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthr...l=1#post271033

I use the low-fat package, I think it's safe to assume 'standard' is the smallest for a PC, thanks. I have this install trimmed down already except for GUI bling, love the bling, gotta have the bling, lol.

[Snowhog]

See http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthr...l=1#post271033

[tek_heretik]

or start with small desktop and add only the necessary bits.

First I must apologize to cdupree, it's not my intention to take over your thread or be off topic, actually, it is kind of related to your problem.

@Rog132...so exactly which KDE desktop package is the smallest initial install known to human kind? Serious question. And is the smallest KDE desktop package possible starting with a blank drive and a Kubuntu install disk (not having to 'downsize' KDE at all after getting to the 'desktop' for the first time)?

Edit: PCLinuxOS offers a 'minime' version, which is actually quite attractive except it doesn't 'see' my RAID, and you can still smell the Mandriva Mandrake, oops, under the skin, lol, was never fond of Mandrake.

[Snowhog]

Check System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Session Management > On Login and ensure that Start with an empty session is checked.

[cdupree]

Unfortunately this doesn't work, I tried it before I went to the lengths of purging Kwalletmanager. Simply turning it off in System Settings didn't affect the problem. I just looked in Startup & Shutdown-->Service Manager (didn't know to look there, thanks!) but I didn't see anything that seemed relevant. At this point I've removed the wallet software as far as Muon/Synaptic are concerned and there's nothing about it in System Settings. But the damn thing still runs!

[cdupree]

Well, I've purged kwalletmanager (sudo apt-get purge kwalletmanager) and deleted kwalletd from the disk and in Ksysguard, but when I reboot Kwallet runs again and fails as before.

I kinda like Kontact and the integration of facilities it represents. Is there any way to retain the Personal Information Manager while dumping Kwallet, or do I have to find another way?

Again, thanks to all for your suggestions and ideas!

[Rog132]

The freedom of ...

I love KDE but am shocked at the way you can't simply 'cherry pick' what you want running or not,..

Of course you could choose what applications you are installing and using. There are many ways to get the KDE desktop ( http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthr...t-Installation ):

- kde-plasma-desktop
- kde-standard
- kde-full
- kubuntu-desktop
- kubuntu-full
- etc...

The kubuntu-desktop metapackage ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?ke...ll&section=all -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/kubuntu-desktop ) is depending and recommending bunch of packages. They are chosen by the Kubuntu developers - they are an idea or agreement what the useful desktop needs. But you could start with the big desktop and remove the unnecessary bits or start with small desktop and add only the necessary bits.

[vinnywright]

just my .

I also have found the "wallet" to be annoying at times ,,,,,,,,but have never had to remove it to shut it up.

just go to Kickoff>applications>system>KDE wallet manager>settings>configure wallet and uncheck the "enable KDE wallet subsystem" check box and click apply,,,,,,,,,,,it will never bother you again

+ in Kickoff>system settings>startup & shutdown >service manager you can disable more "services" you may/may not need .

VINNY

[tek_heretik]

How do I get rid of this thing? It's as sticky as couscous.

I love KDE but am shocked at the way you can't simply 'cherry pick' what you want running or not, I get the same stomach knots I used to get with Microslop products, arrrrrrrg. But I don't use any of the KDE programs you spoke of, I use T-bird for mail.

This will remove the whole (well it's supposed to, you may have to manually delete orphaned files) package, do this ONLY if you want KDE's Personal Information Management (PIM) gone....

apt-get purge kdepim

or a safer option (will leave some files behind)...

apt-get remove kdepim

Of course you could open good ol' Synaptic and choose 'complete removal' like I do, I love all that pretty GUI stuff, lol.