muon software center

[buzzmandt]

just wanted to say muon is the best change to come to kubuntu since..... well, since kubuntu started. very nice

[timek718]

Re: muon software center

I would have agreed except that when I was installing & updating with muon it uninstalled all the installed software: kernels, X11, KDE, & so on, before I realized what what was happening. After reinstalling, I noticed that it offered to uninstall 670+ packages a couple of times. Beware!

[buzzmandt]

Re: muon software center

I've had a few issues, but while in development you should be using terminal/konsole. using anything else you should really be really careful.

it's as Ranchhand says of ubuntu update manager, he calls it update mangler lol.

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade (relatively safe)
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (use with caution)

[PaulW2U]

Re: muon software center

I've had a few issues, but while in development you should be using terminal/konsole. using anything else you should really be really careful.

it's as Ranchhand says of ubuntu update manager, he calls it update mangler lol.

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade (relatively safe)
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (use with caution)

I had over 100 packages held back. I ran muon and it upgraded them all. I've no idea if that was supposed to happen or if all those packages were still not ready for upgrading and muon failed to operate as it should have.

I'll continue to use aptitude for now ... sudo aptitude safe-upgrade. It has a comforting ring about it, doesn't it?

[buzzmandt]

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i like aptitude but choose not to use it as it is not included by default anymore. I do have it installed for when i really need to pull out the heavy cannons though.

[claydoh]

Re: muon software center

I've had a few issues, but while in development you should be using terminal/konsole. using anything else you should really be really careful.

it's as Ranchhand says of ubuntu update manager, he calls it update mangler lol.

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade (relatively safe)
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (use with caution)

I had over 100 packages held back. I ran muon and it upgraded them all. I've no idea if that was supposed to happen or if all those packages were still not ready for upgrading and muon failed to operate as it should have.

I'll continue to use aptitude for now ... sudo aptitude safe-upgrade. It has a comforting ring about it, doesn't it?

aptitude can be dangerous in a development release as it can easily propose solutions that create more havoc (mixed versions, etc) that may be worse than simple held-back packages. Add in the chance for incorrectly created packages and you can see the fun that could occur

I always recommend using the commandline during testing, up to about the rc stages.

Plus another thing to consider is that Muon itself is beta version in 11.10

[SteveRiley]

Re: muon software center

I would have agreed except that when I was installing & updating with muon it uninstalled all the installed software: kernels, X11, KDE, & so on, before I realized what what was happening. After reinstalling, I noticed that it offered to uninstall 670+ packages a couple of times. Beware!

Yes, a couple times now Muon has wiped out more parts of my system than I expected. Say you're removing ThingX which happens to be a dependent of ThingA. Synaptic will alert you to this, tell you that your decision requires removing ThingA, and also show you other effects of your decision, including removing other items that depend on ThingA. Muon shows no warnings -- it just starts removing. I'm leery of using it for that reason.

[de_koraco]

Re: muon software center

I would have agreed except that when I was installing & updating with muon it uninstalled all the installed software: kernels, X11, KDE, & so on, before I realized what what was happening. After reinstalling, I noticed that it offered to uninstall 670+ packages a couple of times. Beware!

Yes, a couple times now Muon has wiped out more parts of my system than I expected. Say you're removing ThingX which happens to be a dependent of ThingA. Synaptic will alert you to this, tell you that your decision requires removing ThingA, and also show you other effects of your decision, including removing other items that depend on ThingA. Muon shows no warnings -- it just starts removing. I'm leery of using it for that reason.

Muon has a "preview changes" button in the top left.

[claydoh]

Re: muon software center

but this is one area where perhaps the extra hand holding is actually appropriate

[PaulW2U]

Re: muon software center

aptitude can be dangerous in a development release as it can easily propose solutions that create more havoc (mixed versions, etc) that may be worse than simple held-back packages. Add in the chance for incorrectly created packages and you can see the fun that could occur

I always recommend using the commandline during testing, up to about the rc stages.

Claydoh, I respect your opinion but after alpha/beta testing 10.10, 11.04 and now 11.10 I have found that aptitude in command line mode has not failed me once. Any problems I have inflicted upon my installation have been a result of not following aptitude's advice or recommendations. I must admit that the GUI version can be confusing especially when trying to work out why packages are held back. As a result I rarely use the GUI version now.

[yeeha]

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Muons ability to find similarly named packages seems strange to say atleast: Trying to get Supertuxkart with super doesnt work, supertu shows game, supertux doesnt, supertuxk shows game. This makes finding packages hard, if you arent native english speaker you could mistake name for supertuxcart for example.

[claydoh]

Re: muon software center

aptitude can be dangerous in a development release as it can easily propose solutions that create more havoc (mixed versions, etc) that may be worse than simple held-back packages. Add in the chance for incorrectly created packages and you can see the fun that could occur

I always recommend using the commandline during testing, up to about the rc stages.

Claydoh, I respect your opinion but after alpha/beta testing 10.10, 11.04 and now 11.10 I have found that aptitude in command line mode has not failed me once. Any problems I have inflicted upon my installation have been a result of not following aptitude's advice or recommendations. I must admit that the GUI version can be confusing especially when trying to work out why packages are held back. As a result I rarely use the GUI version now.

And just often enough for me to NOT recommend its usage (or any gui manager as well) in the development cycle, someone follows its recommendations and ends up with mixed versions of KDE packages, and therefore have a broken system. Sometimes those previous packages are seriously messed up or missing something. It is usually safer and saner to wait for the not-yet-uploaded packages to arrive in the repos than to have aptitiude revert to something that is busted.

[SteveRiley]

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Muon has a "preview changes" button in the top left.

Urgh...can't believe I missed that. Maybe changing default toolbar config to icons only isn't such a good idea

[x-shaney-x]

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Yes, I learned very quickly to check the "preview changes" tab after removing half my system (maybe a light exaggeration).

I noticed that the release notes for alpha mention it enables the installation of untrusted packages by default and suggest users change the setting but I cannot for the life of me find that setting anywhere :|

[bsniadajewski]

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@x-shaney-x

There was a update to the muon RC that fixed that default setting to disable

BTW, it's Settings > Configure Muon Package Manager, and uncheck "allow the installation of untrusted packages".