The China Connection

[woodsmoke]

LOL

WHAT THE FUNK...you really DO...need to read ALL of this...lol...really...

TONIGHT HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD NIGHT...it got me WAAAAYYYY BACK into "philosophy" and "scientific philosophy" and a bunch of other rabbit holes to chase the white rabbitt into...lol...but

I have, for several years now...said that..."the original way of thinking" was...conservatism. We will let that statement stand as is.

YES...there was "liberalism" even going back to the time of Christ... the whole thing about the "section of the early Catholic Church" that said that Christ was just a man and that he really stood for an abstraction...but

that "kind of thought" was always waaay off the radar...

then the whole French Revolution thing...

But...fundamentally that "conservativism" was the "original" and "long standing" mode of thought for "Western European / British" culture..

And that then led me to consider the following...

WHY IS IT...that, especially in the last decade that the "views" of "conservativism" and "liberalism" are so VIOLENTLY different, even in the face of it being 'bad for society"...

And...I formed an idea that "originally" "Liberalism" was "just liberalism"... a more "expansive" view of how society "should exist"..

But that, of late...

BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA AND SOUND BITES...

that "the true liberalism of the hippie sixties and the beatnick fifties" as a reaction to WWII etc...

had been turned into "I'm NOT HIM" pointing at the conservative...

Because that is something that the "media" could focus on and point at...

The conservative media points at "those folks" and how they are DIFFERENT from "us".

The liberal media points at "those folks" and how they are DIFFERENT from "us".

And ...since the "conservative" says that we should have a military to maybe protect us from a nutso bad actor like Idi Amin who had syphillis and was NOT rational...

the liberals have to be "against the military"

The "way people thought" for centuries was that there was some kind of "deity"...the conservative viewpoint

the liberals...because they "are not those folks" have to say that there is NOT a deity and that is the end of the discussion...

So... the big idea that I had come to was..."conservatives" had these ideas and liberals have "not THOSE ideas".

Well looky here...in a discussion about "positivism" and "anti-positivism" in science...

One scholar has described this debate in terms of the social construction of the "other",

with each side defining the other... by what it is not

rather than... what it is,

and then proceeding to attribute far greater homogeneity to their opponents than actually exists.

So...what the funk...i think that you got a point... GG got a point...and you ended up with the match point... at least in terms of...

what I have been thinking this last few years! lol

woodlordywhatcomesaroundgoesaround!smoke

[GreyGeek]

Well, it's been interesting, but the chances of either of us changing the other's mind are zero.

So, enjoy life, it's way too short anyway!

[GreyGeek]

https://medium.com/les-deplorables/w...s-83633ad964f0

http://ijr.com/2016/10/715882-dem-op...thats-not-all/

[woodsmoke]

Well ... what I think that what is being left out of this is...

That "liberals" have ranted and baleyhooed for decades that "they are better than that"...that they are the TRUE champions of "free speech" and that conservatives are just stupid Christians because the read the Bible.

In other words...the hypocricy...of the liberals saying that they are "better" than the conservatives who WOULD...in their articles etc. BAN PEOPLE...evil conservatives.

But... which side really IS..."banning discussion"...

Anybody remember the "big showdown" between Bill Nye and the stupid Christian about evolution?

Ummmmm the stupid Christian...actually showed up...to...DEBATE...

woodjustsayinsmoke

[whatthefunk]

I was going to post but it would only create enemies because there would be no rebuttal.

woodsmoke

Post away. However, if its a 1000 line woodsmoke rant I probably wont read it.

[whatthefunk]

No. There are still Liberals in the classical sense (Classical Liberalism) still around. We call them Conservatives.
A Classical Liberal would say "I disagree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it."
Modern Liberals say "I disagree with what you say, and I will get your account canceled and get you fired from your job!"
Are there any Liberals left in the Democrat Party?
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...nt=opinion-rec

So conservatives never do this sort of thing?

[GreyGeek]

No. Are all liberals Marxists?

No. There are still Liberals in the classical sense (Classical Liberalism) still around. We call them Conservatives.
A Classical Liberal would say "I disagree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it."
Modern Liberals say "I disagree with what you say, and I will get your account canceled and get you fired from your job!"
Are there any Liberals left in the Democrat Party?
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...nt=opinion-rec

[GreyGeek]

No. Are all liberals Marxists?

No. There are still Liberals in the classical sense (Classical Liberalism) still around. We call them Conservatives.
A Classical Liberal would say "I disagree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it."
Modern Liberals say "I disagree with what you say, and I will get your account canceled and get you fired from your job!"
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...nt=opinion-rec

[woodsmoke]

I was going to post but it would only create enemies because there would be no rebuttal.

woodsmoke

[whatthefunk]

Are all conservatives fascists or White nationalists?

No. Are all liberals Marxists?

[woodsmoke]

I'd ask a question, playing the distaff side.

I would really like for someone to find a "conservative" art museum that has anything like: pi##Allah, pi##KarlMarx, pi$$Buddah, pi$$Confucius.

And there really IS a major "conservative" art museum which celebrate(s)(ed) : Black Unity, Warhol, Ceorgia O'keefe, "Van Gogh to Rothko". ( who are, as we all know, NOT very conservative artists".

But... not a single "anti-left" exhibit to be found.

woodjustaskingsmoke

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[GreyGeek]

So all people who are liberals are Marxists?

Are all conservatives fascists or White nationalists?

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/10/anti...the-alt-right/

... viewpoints that want to deny all free speech cannot be allowed to speak freely.

Cognitive dissonance. So only approved "free speech" is to be allowed. This from people who dress in black, wear masks to conceal their identities and attack the property of people they disagree with, and even those people. Maybe their victims should start wearing a yellow Star of David so the antifa will feel right at home as the successors to the Brown Shirts?

[whatthefunk]

So all people who are liberals are Marxists?

[GreyGeek]

Who is a Marxist?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Marxism

Or:
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-diff...-and-Communism

Marxist like to hide behind less innocuous sounding labels: Liberal (but not in the classic western cultural sense), Progressive or Socialist, but the end result is always the same: See China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, or read up on the old USSR and its client states in the Eastern Block.

In our own Congress we have the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
Sometimes they slip and spill the beans about their intents:

Maxine Waters held an honorary seat with the Workers World Party, a radical pro-Russian political organization that is often used as a Russian propaganda machine, and she wants Trump impeached for imaginary links to Russia!


Howard Dean sends a msg of congratulations to PES. Especially note the segment where Bill Clinton talks about the tough times "social justice" had following the fall of the USSR- no funding, no leadership.

I could go on but I'm taking my wife out to dinner for her 73rd birthday! (I may add more later, but the Internet is full of links between Democrats and Marxism, Socialism, Russia. They are getting smarter, how ever. I noticed a few years ago that they removed links on their web pages to Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). By the way, what ever happened to that old underground Weatherman bomber, Bill Ayres. That's right, he hobnobs with Obama!

[whatthefunk]

Just like Piss Christ, eh? No, that theatrical play has gone beyond art and has jumped the shark, inviting malcontents and mentally ill to emulate the actors and actually attempt to do the deed. After all, the Left was blaming Palin for Gifford's shooting based on the flimsiest excuse, that a surveyor's icon is like the image of a telescopic rifle sight, and no proof at all that the mentally ill person used those political campaign posters as motivation.

If our freedom of speech has to conform itself to fit your opinion and everyone elses opinion, we arent going to have very much freedom left.

Do we want "more or less the same thing"? Did you want that conservative political parties to be hamstrung by denying them 501c4 status for over three years, which prevented them from collecting campaign contributions, in a political environment where getting the message out equates to purchasing massive amounts of ads?

No, I dont want this. I want less money in political elections and I want them to be fair. Rules should apply to all parties and individuals.

IF these "artists" truly believed they were doing art then where is their art depicting Mohammed as the person he was? Are they afraid to speak their truth to that power for fear of what happened to the editors of Charlie Hebdo?

Maybe they dont feel like drawing Mohammed. Not everyone has to draw Mohammed to be an artist.

Did you want the top journalists of the MNM to attend a dinner given by Posdesta so they could discuss and coordinate on how to report Hillary's campaign?

No, I didnt want this. I dont like Hilary and was pretty pissed off when she won the primary, which was clearly designed to have her win.

Let's cut to the chase. There are three major forces vying for supremacy in the world today. ALL of them are religions: Marxism (including all of its many pseudonyms), Christianity (Catholic and Protestant), and Islam (Sunni and Shia).

This is simply not true. First, Marxism is not a religion and there are very few people who still believe that it is a valid political theory. What about the US? And Russia? And China? Seeing all the worlds issues through the lens of religion is folly.

I've been a practicing Christian since the second Wednesday of March, 1962. Christianity has been in decline for 30 years. England and Europe demonstrate that by the fact that most church buildings have been closed or converted to public use. Attendance is down 97%, with Easter, Christmas, births and deaths being the only times many supposed Christians attend a worship service. Jesus, when talking about the End Times asked a rhetorical question: "When I come will I find Faith?". Good question.

Marxists will eventually gain the upper hand because everyone likes free stuff, despite the fact that TINSTASFL. Christianity will be declared a mental illness and suppressed on that basis. That political ground work has already been laid. The final battle will be between Marxists and Islamist, and as things are progressing in Europe, the Islamist are winning. It is already too late for Europe.

Within 30 years Europe will be a Caliphate, which won't tolerate inclusiveness, and they will win with their birthrate. They isolate themselves in their conclaves and refuse to "assimilate", despite what Leftists say and believe. The same thing is happening here in America, with Muslims focusing on towns in Minnesota and Michigan, and taking political control.

Now THIS is jumping the shark. Where are all these Marxists? Who exactly would you say is a Marxist?