A must read very important news

[MrSteve]

i would just like to know is kubuntu LTS going to continue
i have it running on two systems the other two systems, my daughters, are imacs

debian has been going long enough to be classed as long term
as of assumption , i am ex military, have found it to be the mother of most mistakes

i just want systems that my wife and myself use to have long term support. that is all ...

[SecretCode]

the question i would like to gander an answer to is
will kubuntu continue ?. i already have a copy of debian 8.1 stable kde non-free ready to install.

this question got me jailed on the ubuntu forum.

The difference between Kubuntu forums and Ubuntu forums is that questions won't get you jailed here!

Whether that reflects a difference in world-view between the Ubuntu and Kubuntu communities is for individuals to decide.

[xennex81]

Kubuntu will continue if you will. Have some faith!.

Thank you, Mike.

btw is any here living in Germany that could host my way out of the ..euhm... psychiatric prison I'm leaving?

[Qqmike]

I think people are panicking, or venting a need to be dramatic. Let's not act like crisis junkies here

Assume Kubuntu will survive. That assumption is as easy to make as any other. As has been pointed out, there's no conclusive facts yet, it's all speculation. Best to remain loyal, hang in. And without our steady regulars, what is this place, anyway? I think you do have a responsibility here.

If one seeks the realization of a criterion to only place oneself in situations/activities that are congruent with a specific brand of purist principles and personal philosophy, well, good luck with that life goal! This world we live is just isn't quite yet working like that. If you have any principles at all, you are violating them every day just by participating in this society, by riding along, by hanging your survival objective with the rest of us and them, by generating and consuming the resources you need to survive.

[MrSteve]

the question i would like to gander an answer to is
will kubuntu continue ?. i already have a copy of debian 8.1 stable kde non-free ready to install.

this question got me jailed on the ubuntu forum.

[xennex81]

What do you think the effect on the remaining people is if people start abandoning ship? If prominent posters here on this forum start expressing their departure, that sets the ball rolling. You have a responsibility here.

[xennex81]

I still feel as though people are abandoning ship much too readily. It's panic football. It will only help its demise. It's like a bank run (run on the bank), don't do it. The end is nowhere near, don't go hastening it. Relax, stay calm. You don't need this panic and yes, this is panic.

[gnomek]

Kubuntu has a lot of advantages, even if it changes its name, it's going to be there.

Rebranding was already discussed:
https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-.../msg00020.html

So Kubuntu profits from having *buntu as part of its name, and without *buntu in name it will no longer be Kubuntu. Besides it is also a matter of using Canonical's servers, launchpad PPA, etc.
The only alternative is to become the brand new distribution but it doesn't make much sense considering existence of Mint KDE and Netrunner. It would also mean to loose all that have been achieved as Kubuntu.

This joint statement is all about it - both parties profit from cooperation (actually Kubuntu profits more, Canonical only profit seems to be pretending it is still about community, not only about customers), so KC decided to forget important question Johnatan raised and go on as if nothing has happened, which for me is very surprising after they reallected Johnatan and after #ISupportJonathan campain.

Looks like Jonathan stepping down from KC was the price paid for Kubuntu.

Perhaps it is good for Kubuntu - only the time will show (I'm not so sure) - but in my opinion it is a very bad way of solving problems. Basically they didn't solve it, they put it away pretending it didn't exist (although this joint "politically correct" statement claims something else).

By the way, this statement "The Kubuntu team are committed to releasing 15.10 in October. Updates, bug fixes and future releases are currently uncertain. " is weird to me. What's the point of making it and abandon after release. Before writing such things KC and Jonathan should think about decisions first and only then make announcements.

Writing it now only makes us - users confused.

As it is written in linked discussion "The relevant decider is sabdfl." KC can only make some noise until he decides to stop it. And Kubuntu must subordinate or say goodbye. That's how I see what happened.

To sum up, very wise quote from Valorie

as long as we remain a flavor, we have to take the good with the bad.

If not the only solution would be to cease Kubuntu.

Even if Kubuntu will go on the atmosphere is bad. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

[Qqmike]

Kubuntu has a lot of advantages, even if it changes its name, it's going to be there ...

I had the same thought: a lot of people/enterprises using Kubuntu. But, Ganton, you've expressed it much better, with examples and links.

[Ganton]

As it was written in other place:
Joint Statement from the CC and KC
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ne/000646.html

[Ganton]

As it was written in other place:
Kubuntu has a lot of advantages, even if it changes its name, it's going to be there. You can buy computers (e.g. from ZaReason) with Kubuntu preinstalled, there are a lot of users and experience brought by civil services (*)(**)(***), it has technical support (****) when a company/government needs to pay an expert, it has paying sponsors (Blue Systems), etc.

(*)Kubuntu rollouts include the world's largest Linux desktop deployment, that includes more than 500,000 desktops in Brazil (in 42,000 schools of 4,000 cities)
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20130...nuxcon/griffin
http://lwn.net/Articles/455972/
http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-...y-blue-systems
https://blogs.kde.org/2011/09/16/420...ntu-derivative
"Kubuntu gets used throughout the world, including in the world's largest desktop deployment in Brazil."
https://lwn.net/Articles/635613/

(**) What is the Limux client? Put simply, it’s a customised version of Kubuntu.
-- http://www.linuxvoice.com/the-big-switch/
-- http://www.linuxvoice.com/issues/002/02munich.pdf
"We're meeting in Munich at the offices of LiMux who have just completed their transition to convert the whole of public administration in Munich to Kubuntu, over 15,000 computers."
- https://blogs.kde.org/blog/57

(***) http://www.fsdaily.com/Government/Ne...000_school_PCs

(****) http://kubuntu.emerge-open.com/

[Ganton]

As it was written in other place:
Please Welcome to Matthias Klumpp, our newest Kubuntu Member
http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=333

[67GTA]

This is encouraging https://plus.google.com/107577785796...ts/JjLLpHCX5kv Matthias is a Debian dev that is involved with the Tanglu project.

[SecretCode]

but I have decided to move to the Mothership.

Please report on your experiences!

[GreyGeek]

Just for my sanity Jerry, the next LTS would be 16.04 right? If it gets there?

My typo, you are correct. LTS's are released every two years and supported for five. When SABDFL made his first announcement about kicking the orphans to the curb and the creation of LTS releases with five year support and his Unity GUI scheme in 2012, my suspicion was/is that he was/is giving Ubuntu five years (2017) to make a dent in the PC market or he was pulling the plug. I figured that I'd run Kubuntu for another five years and see what happens. However, this dust-up shows that no matter how benevolent a dictator still shows his teeth when money is the gauge.

It's his money and he has the right to spend it how he wishes, but our UI directions have diverged. I appreciate all the fish and wish his business interests well but I have decided to move to the Mothership.