News at nine: Canonical manages another PR nightmare

[dibl]

A strong KDE effort? Really? KDE under Debian is like stepping into the past. It's anywhere from a old to down right ancient. Kubuntu is much better in this respect.

Well, not to be argumentative, but that's not necessarily the case:

don@e6500:~$ inxi -v3
System:    Host: e6500 Kernel: 3.12-0.towo-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.2) 
           Desktop: KDE 4.11.3 (Qt 4.8.6) Distro: siduction 13.1.0 Firestarter - kde - (201305211844)

[SteveRiley]

SABDFL's mea culpa: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1299

[dmeyer]

Also, Debian has a strong KDE effort:

https://wiki.debian.org/KDE

A strong KDE effort? Really? KDE under Debian is like stepping into the past. It's anywhere from a old to down right ancient. Kubuntu is much better in this respect.

[kubicle]

Both lift and elevator imply only one direction, right? A buddy of mine in Hong Kong once pointed out the the word for elevator is made of the three symbols for up down machine. I like that

I'd call them levitators (has a nice quasi-magical ring to it, even though it's technically even more incorrect...you wouldn't expect to go up or down in a levitator, but at least there is no vector-bias)

Quickly put on my ringleader's outfit, set up a flaming hoop for the lion, and announce "Ladieeeeeees and geeeeeeeentlemen, we're having a circus! In the north ring, observe as the bearded lady dodges her assailant! Haha! She's always one step ahead of that cad with the water pistol! In the south ring, we have our very own Three Stooges re-enactment! Yuk yuk yuk, good for laughs every time! Aaaaaand in the center ring, our sword-swallowing duo in a duel! Aren't their moves sooo scary? What skill!"

No need to use the gun at all.

Nah...you can do that once you're sure the lawyer is out...he is the primary concern.

That is astoundingly pathetic. Imagine how this "new guy" must feel, being thrown under the bus like that by SABDFL.

Agree with you there, being a leader means stepping in front of the "new guy" to take the hailstorm...even if it really is a simple blunder.

Blown out of proportion? Most definitely (but it was still a valid issue and only good things can come from it getting publicity).

[SteveRiley]

And anyway, Why shouldn't a device that lifts you up a building then lifts you back down again be called a lift?

Both lift and elevator imply only one direction, right? A buddy of mine in Hong Kong once pointed out the the word for elevator is made of the three symbols for up down machine. I like that

Man, the interwebz sure seems to be having that time of the month every day it seems.

Someone should invent Internamprin.

At least the Debian folks are having a laugh

Yeah! I LOL'ed at that.

You see a robber holding an elderly lady at gun point, two drunks going at each other with knives, two thugs beating a lawyer, and an angry lion charging at you.
You do have a gun, but only three bullets. What do you do...

Quickly put on my ringleader's outfit, set up a flaming hoop for the lion, and announce "Ladieeeeeees and geeeeeeeentlemen, we're having a circus! In the north ring, observe as the bearded lady dodges her assailant! Haha! She's always one step ahead of that cad with the water pistol! In the south ring, we have our very own Three Stooges re-enactment! Yuk yuk yuk, good for laughs every time! Aaaaaand in the center ring, our sword-swallowing duo in a duel! Aren't their moves sooo scary? What skill!"

No need to use the gun at all.

lol, blame a new guy

That is astoundingly pathetic. Imagine how this "new guy" must feel, being thrown under the bus like that by SABDFL.

[claydoh]

So I guess I should hang my phone and keyboard up, since I seem to have lost the ability to read and write today :O

Still, yawn though.

I like the huge banner that omg have, one rotates in about the big brother award for the unity lens got, in nice bright red background lol, followed by the 10 best gnome features...


Oh heck I know why I'm yawning! I just realized I've been up for 28 hours hehe.

Not that sleepy yet, though!

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[whatthefunk]

Shuttleworth apologizes: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-...m-398583.shtml

[whatthefunk]

*yawn* the site used the ubuntu logo in it's title graphic, as well as the term "ubuntu" (perhaps as opposed to a site like omgbuntu, which *almost* uses the full word, but not quite, and no ubuntu logos)

They use the full name.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/

Ubuntu obviously has no problem with OMGUbuntu, probably because it is an overly positive site.

[GreyGeek]

https://plus.google.com/u/0/11681239...ts/5jdibY5iR9b

lol, blame a new guy

I had the same reaction. Just a CYA move.

[claydoh]

https://plus.google.com/u/0/11681239...ts/5jdibY5iR9b

lol, blame a new guy

[claydoh]

And more fallout
https://pthree.org/2013/11/08/goodbye-ubuntu/

[claydoh]

You shouldn't mix the term copyright with trademark, the two are very different things with different purposes and different

So right, I chose words poorly.
I still think it is overblown, and is getting some attention in more mainstream venues, such as ars technica, and feels a bit like link bait where ever I see it.


Damn I hate coming across as a buntu fanboi or apologist. I think I'm just a contrarian.


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[kubicle]

While a trademark holder may need to react to obvious trademark infringements (it's not necessary to react to all infringements) to avoid abandonment, reaction is not necessary when there is no infringement such as non-commercial (which seems to be the case here) or nominal fair use.

The EFF seems to agree with me :
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/trademark-law-does-not-require-companies-tirelessly-censor-internet


EDIT: OOps, edited instead of replied, dang.
Of course the original message is gone now...

[claydoh]

*yawn* the site used the ubuntu logo in it's title graphic, as well as the term "ubuntu" (perhaps as opposed to a site like omgbuntu, which *almost* uses the full word, but not quite, and no ubuntu logos)

Also, (and of course ianal) I do believe that at least in the US, a trademark holder *has* to at least occasionally respond to issues with its trademark in order to be able to legally hold and keep it if there is a challenge.

So, to sum up, in my non-expert opinion, it is the use of the full Ubuntu name and logo in the site's title, the site's domain name, and the use of the logo as the logo for the site that is the issue here. If the graphic where in an article or someplace not in the header, and the site's domain and title were, say fixbuntu instead of fixubuntu, there would have been no form letter sent.






Man, the interwebz sure seems to be having that time of the month every day it seems.

[dibl]

"fixbuntu" is not the same as "ubuntu". "debian" is the same as "debian". I think there's a difference there. The repo at www.deb-multimedia.org is functioning perfectly and debian has no objections to it.