Why was Kubuntu Forums created?

[Teunis]

I still keep an account with the Ubuntuforums and 'in the day' I found great help on it.
As others said, with the advent of Unity a great deal of the problems discussed are not relevant to KDE users while KDE questions are submerged in the great numbers.

The Kamaraderie I sense in this forum is certainly an other good reason to be here, little squabbles like the love or hate of guns/freedom are real-life issues and it should be possible to deal with it by respecting the other opinion.
Such seems to be possible here, arguably also a function of the limited number of people.

[Achaean]

the EU is MORE free

EU used to be more free.
Unfortunately this seems not to be the case here, any more.
EU is moving towards the despotic way, with every passing day.
European parliament doesn't really have any real authority and EU Kommission is rather a bankers counsil than citizens representatives.

Not to mention the (puppet) national goverments, across the continent.

[tek_heretik]

Watch me settle this, the tiny frost bitten Canuck...the EU doesn't put up with bologna, especially from Microslop, that's why Microslop charges DOUBLE in the EU, to pay for all those nasty fines they keep getting, lol, on the flipside, the U.S. are way too lawyered up, half the Youtube videos I try to watch are blocked because they were posted in the U.S., AFAIAC, the EU is MORE free, wish I was there.

P.S. @NickStone, sorry for taking the thread off topic!

Don't worry about it. It's not the first thread to go off topic and I'm sure it won't be the last.

[Feathers McGraw]

Happy Kubuntu family

[Snowhog]

I do consider this to be discussion.

[Feathers McGraw]

Just for the record, I hope Snowhog would consider this to be a discussion, not an argument!

I'm genuinely just trying to understand where you're coming from because it's interesting. I like that people in the forum have a wide range of political views and backgrounds, it would be kind of boring if we didn't.

If I've come across as overly argumentative, then I'm sorry - that wasn't my intention. Without the benefit of being able to see/show my body language, it's difficult to write in a way that conveys only what I mean and not what someone might think I mean

P.S. @NickStone, sorry for taking the thread off topic!

Thank you all for replying to my question. From the gist of what you are all saying that Kubuntu Forums was needed because of the bias towards Gnome (now Unity). But it is still a shame that it felt it had to be done because even though Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same distribution with having separate forums and websites it appears to outsiders that there both different distributions.

[claydoh]

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See this small exchange above? Multiply that by at least 50, and factor in the heat level increases, and you can see why a huge forum might tend to have some restrictions. Not saying it is right or wrong, but that it exists.


yeah, I do agree on the editing of the sig. That was wrong. But their house, their rules :/

[Feathers McGraw]

I read "UF is hosted in Europe where 'freedom of expression' is, shall we say, no so free?" to mean "freedom of expression is not so free in Europe", I guess you meant "freedom of expression is not so free in Ubuntu forums, which happens to be hosted in Europe"?

Or did you just mean gun laws are different in Europe, and to you carrying a weapon is part of expressing yourself?

Tampering with your sig was out of order. I don't blame you for moving.

Feathers

[claydoh]

Even more so, UF is hosted in Europe where 'freedom of expression' is, shall we say, no so free? Here in the United States, where KFN resides, we (still) have the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I truly don't think that this has as much to do with it as you might think. It might have almost nothing to do with it.

[Snowhog]

I wasn't implying that 'all of Europe' is a reflection of Ubuntuforums 'policies' visa-vise freedom of speech. The last line in my signature here was deemed 'inappropriate' and I was 'told' to remove it. I said 'no', and they removed it for me! I left UF because of that, and I will never be a member with them again.

[Feathers McGraw]

Even more so, UF is hosted in Europe where 'freedom of expression' is, shall we say, no so free? Here in the United States, where KFN resides, we (still) have the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Treating all of Europe as a whole is a gross misunderstanding.

I really don't think there's anything I could say here in the UK that would get me in trouble, short of "all black people should be killed because of X, Y and Z", in which case I would be done for inciting racial hatred. Even nutters in the BNP get to say they want to deport people who aren't native British. They are heavily criticised, and rightly so, but they still have the right to make fools of themselves.

[Snowhog]

As to the politics and posting 'restrictions', I think these sort of situations are endemic to large, active forum communities. Almost a natural occurrence

Even more so, UF is hosted in Europe where 'freedom of expression' is, shall we say, no so free? Here in the United States, where KFN resides, we (still) have the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[claydoh]

Oh wow who is that masked, scary looking kubuntu /KDE user posting things over there at ubuntuforums?? Whatever happened to that less-fat, less-older snot?

It is very very simply why KFN was created, and why I myself rather quietly moved from a multi-forum Kubuntu support-giver to being here.
It was primarily the sheer size of Ubunutforums drowning out things rapidly, making anything KDE/Kubuntu quickly lost in the sand pit. Note that the [SOLVED] thread Rog132 linked to is from 2005, and even then UF was a huge place. A place independent from Canonical. Without tags. Without a KDE or Kubuntu section. Heck Kubuntu was still nearly a newborn and in need of some polish. Even Ubuntu itself was still in nappies, fer crying out loud.. Even the anti-borg, anti-big-distro me from back then initially thought it might be better to have a unified forum.

Then add in the supreme and extreme difficulty (at the time) of searching for Kubuntu related topics to help with or follow. The lack of a lot of users simply even noticing that a poster was using something non-Gnome, spouting off a gnome-specific solution that left the OP totally lost. The unfortunate anti-KDE Gnome fanbois.

Reading that thread, I see why so many were a bit adamantly against a separate, standalone, Kubuntu forum. Ubuntu was founded with a heavy emphasis on Community and inclusion, and there obviously were people at UF who totally were/are wonderfully gung-ho on that. This is a fantastic thing to have been able to see in action, and even to have taken to take a small part in. But the forum became far too huge so darn quickly in terms of being able to provide decent support to KDE users.

As to the politics and posting 'restrictions', I think these sort of situations are endemic to large, active forum communities. Almost a natural occurrence