Ubuntu: "We're not Linux"

[woodsmoke]

I didn't like Debian a few years ago because one had to d/l both a live cd and install cd and curiously, the live cd would do stuff that the install cd would not, and it always had problems with some hardware such as wireless or printers.

However, they now provide a live/install cd and it works pretty well.

I posted a year or so ago that I made a Debian Install and then did KDE on top of it, and it worked "fine" but the default settings were....some how ..."cold" and that Koffice and Kontact worked ok on it along with Akonadi and Nepomuk, but there was .....just.....something.....kind of like seeing a bird out of the corner of my eye...it just wasn't as "comfortable" as Kubuntu.

I commented on that and several people said to the effect: "There is no "essentially" no difference between Debian with KDE and Ubu and KDE.

I always thought it was possibly a sitution of "nuances" of the graphics of things like the branded themeing of Firefox or stuff, maybe the "glow" of stuff when it is hovered, just nuance stuff.

But, the big point is that KDE on Debian, did, indeed work and was not "hard to setup", for my rather middle of the road machines.

woodsmoke

You can, no doubt, see that my last attempt was at least 10 years ago. I did download a debian iso about 5 years ago but it wouldn't boot after I burned it, even though the checksums were good. I'm curious to see how this 64bit iso I dl'd will do.

I will be interested to hear how you get on with it.
Debian is one of the distros I haven't played with, although tempted.
I have always been put off by the rumours of user unfriendlyness.[/QUOTE]

I have installed Debian using the text based installer and in my opinion it is no more "unfriendliness" than other distros. Anyone with a good level of computer skills should have no problems installing Debian.

[Flip the Switch]

You can, no doubt, see that my last attempt was at least 10 years ago. I did download a debian iso about 5 years ago but it wouldn't boot after I burned it, even though the checksums were good. I'm curious to see how this 64bit iso I dl'd will do.

I will be interested to hear how you get on with it.
Debian is one of the distros I haven't played with, although tempted.
I have always been put off by the rumours of user unfriendlyness.

[GreyGeek]

I've had too many bad experiences with the RPM package system in a wide variety of RPM based distros, which is why I prefer distros based on the deb system. Of course, YMMV.

[jpenguin]

I've been using Fedora 16 KDE on my x86_64 desktop, very happy with it. After all, although I tried Gentoo, Mandrake and Peanut Linux first, the first linux I really used was YellowDog

[Snowhog]

Call me lazy, but that's how I skip the semi-annual installation games.

Nope. Not crazy.

One of the reasons that I run a multi-boot configuration (three *buntus currently; Ubuntu and two Kubuntu's) is so I have a 'main' OS I use regularly, and the previous release. When a new release comes out (I normally wait until it is officially release, but with Precise, I installed it when it was Beta RC2?) I install it 'fresh', wiping out my non-main OS. I then get to play with it, but still have my main OS intact. With Precise, I've actually been using it as my main OS since I installed it -- it has been that stable (for me). It has been dist-upgraded daily. As others have opined, Precise has been the best Kubuntu so far. Each release just seems to get better and better.

Too bad they stay so far behind, especially considering the considerable improvement of 4.8 over 4.7.

They just added 4.7.4 to "unstable" a couple of weeks when the KDE project release 4.8.1 almost the same day. 4.7.4 was released Dec. 7th so I guess they stay 4 months behind.

There's are good reason for that. Debian stable will only use rock solid stable versions of packages even if the developers have labelled there application as stable, Debian test it to destruction before they add it to there distribution. Debian stable is for those users who want a stable system not a testing system. For that, you should install Debian testing.

[dibl]

My wife's taste in computer configuration is the polar opposite of mine -- I like to play with the bleedy edge software, to see the improvements, and she does not ever want to see anything change, crash, or misbehave in any way. Long story made real short -- she's been using a Win 7 VM running on a Debian 6 system for a year now, and it never changes, and that's just how she wants it. The Firefox browser gave her some trouble last week, so I just changed her over to chromium-browser for everything but a certain site she has to do data entry on, and she's a happy camper, and I may get years more service out of that installation, if the hardware holds up. I found the Debian 6 installation remarkably trouble-free -- I got a 64-bit Debian 6/KDE DVD image and used that to install from. It gets maybe 2 package updates per week, if I bother to check.

I personally have been happy using a Debian sidux/aptosid/siduction system for several years now, although I always install a current Kubuntu VM and keep it updated, because often the KDE version and packages are newer in the new Kubuntu version, than in Debian sid. I just got tired of "having" to reinstall the next version of *buntu every six months, or else face the fading away of what was once a current configuration. My main desktop system, which I built in December 2010, has been running the "same" OS since I installed it then, and I have an EeePC with 2009-01 original aptosid OS, fully updated as of yesterday. Call me lazy, but that's how I skip the semi-annual installation games.

Or, if you own a 64bit computer: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/

I believe that eventually, probably sooner than later, Kubuntu will move upstream to Debian. But, Ubuntu is based on Debian and many issues with Ubuntu/KDE are present in Debian as well, as even a trivial Google search will show.

Here is the Debian 64bit KDE offereing. It will require a DVD because it is 1GB.
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/...de-desktop.iso

In fact, I am so curious about Debian's KDE that I am going to install it as a guest OS to check it out.

I would if I had 64 bit architecture but both my laptop which is running Ubuntu 10.04 and my mini tower which is running Xubuntu 11.10 are both 32 bit based machines. I did have KDE 4.7.4 on the mini tower and it performed very well but I just felt XFCE was more suited to that machine. I'm thinking of installing Debian KDE on the laptop when I come to upgrade.

[rms]

i never have had an issue setting up debian (other then on my G3 mac but thats for different reasons). my only issue with it is the out of date kde packages. i suspose i could just build my own kde stuffs.

True, though I think they are the only distro to support as many hardware platforms and (probably)packages.

[GreyGeek]

Every attempt I've made to install Debian on my existing setup (three *buntu OS's, and two prepared additional partitions for Debian) have failed at the point where Grub is to be installed.

My last attempt was when I downloaded 15 (IIRC) floppy disk images and burned them alll, then attempted an install. Debian confused my eth0 with my wifi card and wouldn't allow me to make a connection. So, I tried the net install method by first creating my eth0 cable connection to the back of my ISP modem. Debian promptly broke it and failed at the exact same spot ... trying to create what I already gave it.

You can, no doubt, see that my last attempt was at least 10 years ago. I did download a debian iso about 5 years ago but it wouldn't boot after I burned it, even though the checksums were good. I'm curious to see how this 64bit iso I dl'd will do.

[sithlord48]

i never have had an issue setting up debian (other then on my G3 mac but thats for different reasons). my only issue with it is the out of date kde packages. i suspose i could just build my own kde stuffs.

[Snowhog]

Every attempt I've made to install Debian on my existing setup (three *buntu OS's, and two prepared additional partitions for Debian) have failed at the point where Grub is to be installed.

[rms]

In fact, I am so curious about Debian's KDE that I am going to install it as a guest OS to check it out.

I have it on one partition. Rock solid.

[dequire]

Or, if you own a 64bit computer: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/
In fact, I am so curious about Debian's KDE that I am going to install it as a guest OS to check it out.

I feel the same way about Chakra Linux. I won't leave Kubuntu, but I hear awesome things about Chakra from serious KDE folks. Installing to live USB now to go play