KDE file manager problem

[wizard10000]

What? Am I supposed to read a manual? Who ever does that?
(Besides, when did Linux apps ever have up todate manuals?)

I skimmed through the thing looking for a way to turn krusader single-pane for you and apparently there ain't one, but it was an interesting read. *Way* more functionality than I thought

[GreyGeek]

Here - have 138 pages of krusader manual. I found it pretty interesting

https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extra...r/krusader.pdf

What? Am I supposed to read a manual? Who ever does that?
(Besides, when did Linux apps ever have up todate manuals?)

[wizard10000]

...Krusader is not as eye pleasing and I haven't found a way to turn off the split screen, but it's got everything else, including the kitchen sink, in it!

Here - have 138 pages of krusader manual. I found it pretty interesting

https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extra...r/krusader.pdf

[oshunluvr]

Been there, done that.
Dolphin is, IMO, fantastic. In form, look and function it is unbeatable. I can turn the split screen on and off, and the services and right mouse offerings were awesome.

Totally agree. I was a huge Xtree user about a million years ago. Love the ease of split screens. Now with Dolphin, I can also have tabs, write my own service menus, etc. I'm so used to the clean appearance that screen shot of Krusader looks messy to me.

[GreyGeek]

Been there, done that.
Dolphin is, IMO, fantastic. In form, look and function it is unbeatable. I can turn the split screen on and off, and the services and right mouse offerings were awesome.

Krusader is not as eye pleasing and I haven't found a way to turn off the split screen, but it's got everything else, including the kitchen sink, in it!


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[vinnywright]

Agreed, but KDE is a big project and managing it is probably like herding cats

The problem here is release management; apparently some stakeholders didn't provide input for whatever reason.

I will concede that KDE IS a big project , and volunteer work at that ,,,,,,,, and I should not gripe ,,,at all ,,, I have been enjoying my KDE desktops since the 3.5 day's ,,,,for free , and loving it so shut-up Vinny

I just went into a short lived panic the other day when I needed to make some system links in some root DIR's .
Usualy I would just do a "kdesudo dolphin" and drag and drop selecting the "link hear" option and their we go.

when I saw for the first time the

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ kdesudo dolphin 
QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/vinny/.config/ibus/bus
Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address. 
IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon 
Executing Dolphin as root is not possible.

I went ballistic ,,,,and keep in mind if you do that in krunner or use it in a custom menu entry you get NO notification at all ,,,,you just sit their wandering ,,why did it not launch ??

VINNY

[wizard10000]

...I just do not think it was nice to brake it before havie ng a fix ready to immediately put in place so that their would be a more seamless transition to the new way.

Agreed, but KDE is a big project and managing it is probably like herding cats

The problem here is release management; apparently some stakeholders didn't provide input for whatever reason.

[vinnywright]

ya we have the Krusader-2.5.0 on Neon as well ,,,,,,



and it will launch in root mode just fine ,,,,,,,,,,the niggle is blocking Dolphin from doing things as root ,,,,,,yes I know the issue is been addressed (slowly) , I just do not think it was nice to brake it before having a fix ready to immediately put in place so that their would be a more seamless transition to the new way.

VINNY

EDIT: OOPS thats right ,,,I forgot I compiled it to have the new one ,,,,,,the ver I get in a apt search is

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ apt search krusader
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
krusader/xenial 1:2.4.0~beta3-2ubuntu1 amd64
 twin-panel (commander-style) file manager

[acheron]

Krusader 2.5.0 backported from zesty is now in

https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing

for testing on Xenial and Yakkety.

If you wish to test, please add that ppa, upgrade krusader, THEN REMOVE/DISABLE the ppa once upgraded

(may have to go through the 1st run setup on this upgrade)

Thanks.

[GreyGeek]

Wow, Kubical! I wish I had looked at Krusader a lot sooner. It is mc on steroids! Love it!

[Rod J]

At least there are still options. I took up krusader, which I have used sporadically before, but never went through with setting it up just right...until now. (And so far I'm generally liking it better than dolphin...especially when working with the keyboard...in mc style).

+1 for Krusader. I use nothing else but Krusader and have made it the default file manager in K14.04. I've been a fan of orthodox file managers since my earliest days with computers. I rarely use Dolphin. If Krusader wasn't available I would probably use Double Commander which I have installed here too. DC was my favourite file manager when I was using Ubuntu (mind you, almost anything was better than Nautilus back then ).

[wizard10000]

...At least there are still options. I took up krusader, which I have used sporadically before, but never went through with setting it up just right...until now. (And so far I'm generally liking it better than dolphin...especially when working with the keyboard...in mc style).

This "feature" hasn't made it to Sid yet. When it does I'll probably switch to geany and krusader (or pcmanfm, which I already have installed). sudoedit isn't an acceptable workaround for me as I really like $EDITOR pointing to a console text editor.

[kubicle]

I'm having a problem excepting this ,,,,,this is linux ,,,we are supposed to be able to do whatever we want with our systems and if your <root> you are supposed to be able to do anything ,,,even launch dolphin .

I would understand a warning ,,,,,,,,,"WARNING running dolphin as root can destroy your system are you sure you want to continue yes/no"

but to disable the option altogether is ,,,,,,,well ,,,,, kind of evil overlordish ,,,,,like the children cant think for themselves so the linux god's must take their fork before they poke out their own eye's

MAD VINNY

The change was not pushed because you can do a lot damage when you run apps as root carelessly...you can do that quite effectively in the command line or indeed with dolphin once the policykit integration makes it way into dolphin hopefully in the near future.

The reason they made the change is that X Window is not really a secure system and talking to it as root (by launching a GUI app as root)...provides an attack surface. [How big a threat a hostile takeover via this surface is somewhat debatable].

Like I mentioned before, IMO the policykit integration should have been done before disabling this functionality, but my semi-educated guess is that they, at least partly, wanted to speed up the development of the policykit integration, making it a bigger priority through necessity.

At least there are still options. I took up krusader, which I have used sporadically before, but never went through with setting it up just right...until now. (And so far I'm generally liking it better than dolphin...especially when working with the keyboard...in mc style).

[GreyGeek]

As far as Dolphin and root functionality goes, since I'm a CLI guy anyway, I use Dolphin to navigate to a directory and then hit F4 and do my root business as the Linux Gods intended - at the command line with "sudo"

I do that quite a bit as well. Makes it easy. But, as root in Dolphin, the properties button makes it nice to change ownerships and permissions, etc... The older I get the worse my memory is. CLI tools and their options are fading fast. At least a GUI like Dolphin gives hints (labels).

[vinnywright]

Hopefully

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378169

I'm having a problem excepting this ,,,,,this is linux ,,,we are supposed to be able to do whatever we want with our systems and if your <root> you are supposed to be able to do anything ,,,even launch dolphin .

I would understand a warning ,,,,,,,,,"WARNING running dolphin as root can destroy your system are you sure you want to continue yes/no"

but to disable the option altogether is ,,,,,,,well ,,,,, kind of evil overlordish ,,,,,like the children cant think for themselves so the linux god's must take their fork before they poke out their own eye's

MAD VINNY