What are the SSD and NVMe pre install procedures

[Nasty7]

Wow, that's what I want lol. I only have one machine that will support booting from an NVMe at the moment...from what my research tells me. Supposedly this was not supported on Ivy Bridge and started with Haswell? My Haswell machine already has a SanDisk Ultra II 250GB SATA III SSD, so will leave it as that for now.

Thanks for sharing oshunluvr

[oshunluvr]

Can't go wrong with a Samsung 970 Pro if you can afford it. Results from "hdparm -T..."


WD Caviar "Black" HDD: Timing buffered disk reads: 432 MB in 3.01 seconds = 143.60 MB/sec
Samsung 840 Pro SATA SSD : Timing buffered disk reads: 1624 MB in 3.00 seconds = 541.04 MB/sec
Samsung 970 Pro nVME SSD : Timing buffered disk reads: 9632 MB in 3.00 seconds = 3210.58 MB/sec

[Nasty7]

My NVMe is a Samsung

It would also be good to know what machine and drive you are talking about for the best answers. Also, I'm looking into possibly installing an NVMe M.2 SSD, so as you can see this would be a more valuable thread if all the deets were included.

[jglen490]

The SSD will serve you just fine, in place of the stock platter drive. You will boot faster, and have generally faster response versus the spinner.

One thing that may make your life with the laptop better, is more RAM. According to the specs sheetyou can go up to 16 GB. Otherwise, you should be good with this package.

[Nasty7]

My NVMe is a Samsung, but unfortunatly the Samsung Magician does not work with Linux. So its of no use. In the end I did not create an extra drive for over partioning.

Whoops, brain fart on my part. I'm not using my samsung with linux anymore. When I did it was Dual Booted with Windows 7, so the Samsung Magician was still used.

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[Fargo]

Thanks for all the replies. I'm not getting updates when a reply was posted so I missed them. My NVMe is a Samsung, but unfortunatly the Samsung Magician does not work with Linux. So its of no use. In the end I did not create an extra drive for over partioning. My understand was that the NVME should have a built in 7% due to the difference in GB vis Gib. My machine is used for business desktop use with a virtual machine. But I don't think it will be too demanding for hard drive usage.

[jglen490]

What are the best recommended procedures for installing Kubuntu on and SSD or NVMe M.2 drive?

TRIM - Does Kubuntu set trim automatically or will I need to set trim?

Alignment - In the past I followed some threads about putting 1MB of unallocated space at the beginning of the SSD to account for alignment of the drive. I have also seen comments about using 3MB for a NVMe drive. Does this need to be done?

Overprovisioning - Some people say you need 10% unallocated space at the end of the drive to account for over provisioning. Do I need to do this?

What's important, and has been hinted at by everyone's replies, is your needs. Is this a personal use system with not a lot of system intensive applications being used all the time (on the low side) or a commercial use system maybe with a lot of software development, sales, inventory management type activity (on the high side). But, even that will dictate your system administration decisions much more than the initial setup. Over-provisioning is not a necessity. It would be more useful to over-size your storage needs, with the low cost of drives these days (i.e., if you think you need 750GB, get 1 TB).

[Nasty7]

I am still undecided if I need to reserve unallocated space for over-provisioning.

Some have it built in and some don't, so it will depend on what brand you get. For instance, Samsung let's you decide how much space you want to allocate with Samsung Magician Software. Sandisk, if I remember correctly has it built in, but word on the net is you can allocate more if you want, manually, by re-partitioning. I have a PNY also, and that has it built in too, so I never messed with it as I understand it is already set and not of much concern to me really. I say that because I've read enough about the subject to know that with modern SSD's it's not all that important. I'm giving a generous 10% on my Samsung 250 EVO. I remember reading 7-10% is good for your average user. The Sandisk Extreme Pro is using 12.7% from the factory.

[oshunluvr]

I am still undecided if I need to reserve unallocated space for over-provisioning.

Do some research here also. Most reports I've read say it's overkill for typical (non-commercial) use and some SSDs already OP themselves.

[SpecialEd]

Fargo, off topic but... are you a lawyer/studied law, and used to frequent "shooting/firearms" sites?

[Fargo]

Thank you all for the information. I'm still researching and reading up on things. For the most part I am finding the same information as you guys have provided. Trim is done automatically and alignment is done automatically. So that really only leaves swap and over partitions.

I think oshunluvr makes a good point to keep swap on the NVME... if swap is even needed. Although my current system with 16GB does use it on occasions with 2 virtual machines and lots of browser tabs open.

I am still undecided if I need to reserve unallocated space for over-provisioning.

[oshunluvr]

Personally - just my opinion - much of the advice about SSDs and trim, alignment, their life-span, and swap are FUD, out-of-date, or nonsensical.

First swap: Swap is used only when you run out of memory and need to move "live" stuff out of RAM onto another device (I am really over-simplifying here). Why the heck would you spend somewhere of the order of TEN times to cost of a hard drive to buy a NVMe drive and then not put swap on the fastest device on your system? Boggles the mind - totally backwards thinking. Dumbest thing I've heard. By all means, tune your swap - regardless if you use a hard drive or an SSD to swap to - but don't purposely cripple it by not using the SSD.

That leads to life expectancy: SSDs - modern SSDs - will last as long as any hard drive under normal use. Swap would be considered a normal use for a storage device, right? There are specific use-cases where a hard drive is better - like massive amounts of data, etc. And there are use-cases where the SSD is of little benefit. Regardless, your SSD will outlive your need to have it. Moore's Law says so.

Trim: Overused, period. Unless your SSD is 80-90% full, monthly is plenty of trim and still probably too much. Reasoning? Running trim is more activity than using swap (unless you're way low on RAM). If you're questioning swap, why are you trimming more often than necessary?

Finally, the easiest to address - Alignment. For about 2-3 years now (maybe longer) the partitioning tools supplied with Linux automatically align partitions properly when creating them. You'd have to deliberately make them un-aligned in order to get them that way. I do this (create a single un-aligned partition) because I use GRUB (in lieu of EFI) and it needs extra space on a GPT formatted drive. I use the free space of sectors 34 and 2047 to provide GRUB it's space as the first aligned partition begins at sector 2048.

[claydoh]

*bunbtu has fstrim set to run weekly.


You can check it this way:

claydoh@claydoh-ideapad:~$ systemctl status fstrim.timer
● fstrim.timer - Discard unused blocks once a week
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/fstrim.timer; enabled; vendor preset: enabled
   Active: active (waiting) since Sun 2018-12-09 17:17:14 EST; 4 days ago
  Trigger: Mon 2018-12-17 00:00:00 EST; 3 days left
     Docs: man:fstrim

relatime is also the default, so does not have to be set in the fstab, though one could use noatime instead.


If have the swap on the ssd, and you see it being used too heavily, you will want to change swappiness from the default of 60 down to 10, or even 1
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sw...I_change_it.3F
I forgot about this one, as I have not seen this issue consistently.
Swappiness is adjusted a little bit differently than how it is shown for the Debian setup page linked to by dibl. There may be some other differences as well, but I did not notice any others with a quick glance.

[dibl]

Review this guidance (*buntu is a Debian derivative), and prepare the SSD accordingly.

Set up your system to run the fstrim command periodically, or run it manually, on the root filesystem.

[claydoh]

I don't think there is anything special required. I certainly have never done anything different or special with solid state drives the past 4 or 5+ years I have used them.