KDE Telepathy 0.4 -- feedback requested

[claydoh]

I'm aware of that (and Steve mentioned in an earlier post), but there really is no reason why a (well designed) cross-desktop backend would have such hard dependencies.

My statement was directed at those who may get the impression that the gnome key itself would be installed and run by installing this.

You will, once everything starts breaking every time telepathy is upgraded. It's going to be NetworkManager all over again.

A valid point that need to be looked at, hence the testing and input

[kubicle]

Do note these are the support libraries

I'm aware of that (and Steve mentioned in an earlier post), but there really is no reason why a (well designed) cross-desktop backend would have such hard dependencies.

Don't see the issue.

You will, once everything starts breaking every time telepathy is upgraded. It's going to be NetworkManager all over again.

I don't really object releasing with it, as there are no major version upgrades allowed after a release (although when the ubuntu devs upload a new version of telepathy just before the release freeze, you'll get the usual *shrug* when you mention that the current telepathy-kde doesn't work with it)...but the thing is coming nowhere near my machines.

[claydoh]

On my installation, I'd get libgnome-keyring and libgnome-keyring-common, but not libsoup-gnome (I don't use gstreamer), is telepathy hardcoded to use gstreamer?
I've said it before, but telepathy's so called "cross-desktopness" is rather overrated. Poor design, bad implementation...(and I don't mean the kde-telepathy parts, you can only work with what you've got).

Do note these are the support libraries, not the actual keyring for anyone worried that KTP installs the gnome password manager.

They really need to invent a name for this, as telepathy is the backend framework used by KTP and Emapthy im clients.

[jovin]

I'm going to try it out.
Excited to see the changes and all.

[dequire]

According to the PPA's page, .4 packages are available for Precise as well...Test away

[apachelogger]

Don't see the issue.

Anyhow. call-ui is not pulled in by the metapackage because the dep chain would pull in libav which cannot be on the ISO image for legal reasons. We'll probably do some runtime do-you-want-to-install-to-enhance-experience-thing as we have for flash etc.

[kubicle]

kde-telepathy -> kde-telepathy-minimal -> telepathy-mission-control-5 -> libgnome-keyring0 -> libgnome-keyring-common

Yes, I did check the deptree myself...hence the "complaining" about the telepathy backends (where the dependencies come from) :P

Luckily, kopete still serves my very modest IM needs just fine.

[SteveRiley]

1.
kde-telepathy -> kde-telepathy-minimal -> telepathy-mission-control-5 -> libgnome-keyring0 -> libgnome-keyring-common

2.
My bad. KDE Telepathy only uses a few GStreamer libs, not the whole thing. I was plowing through Aptitude too fast. GStreamer libs come in via KDE Telepathy's dependencies on libqtwebkit and, if you have it installed, libfarstream via kde-telepathy-call-ui. At the moment, however, call-ui isn't installed on my Quantal box even though the KDE Telepathy metapackage is.

[kubicle]

It doesn't require the full gnome-keyring anymore. But it still pulls in libgnome-keyring because telepathy-mission-control depends on it. Even if that were eliminated, you'd still get the lib, as Telepathy is coded to use GStreamer, which depends on libsoup-gnome, which depends on libgnome-keyring. Sigh.

On my installation, I'd get libgnome-keyring and libgnome-keyring-common, but not libsoup-gnome (I don't use gstreamer), is telepathy hardcoded to use gstreamer?
I've said it before, but telepathy's so called "cross-desktopness" is rather overrated. Poor design, bad implementation...(and I don't mean the kde-telepathy parts, you can only work with what you've got).

[SteveRiley]

It doesn't require the full gnome-keyring anymore. But it still pulls in libgnome-keyring because telepathy-mission-control depends on it. Even if that were eliminated, you'd still get the lib, as Telepathy is coded to use GStreamer, which depends on libsoup-gnome, which depends on libgnome-keyring. Sigh.

[kubicle]

Weren't the gnome-keyring dependencies supposed to be gone by now?

[SteveRiley]

Hm, I've not encountered that before. Some bugs appear when I search for the "too long message" error, but they appear sporadic and curiously involve a number of Russian sites.

[wh0rd]

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean or to whom you've addressed this question?

I keep getting a "your message is too long" error every time I try to send a message on Jabber that's 5 or more words >26 characters long. I guess it's better to look at the bug tracker than ask here.

[SteveRiley]

Did that "your message is too long" error finally go away?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean or to whom you've addressed this question?

[wh0rd]

Did that "your message is too long" error finally go away?