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BlueDaisy
Apr 29th 2012, 08:28 PM
Now first off, I am pretty much an anonymous user of Kubuntu, and in this respect I don't wish to forcing too much influence in this Linux distribution. But I have noticed that in the media, people have spoken that this OS as a second class citizen to the one it is derived from - Ubuntu. On the other hand, Linux Mint has been regarded as a 1st class distro by media sources, even though it is still based off of Ubuntu. Even more, whenever media sources and reviewers speak of it, it is like they almost forget to say in the articles that it's even based off of Ubuntu itself. In terms of internet public relations, somehow there is quite a contrast between the derivatives that is very important to analyze - like how a distro like Mint can get so much good media attention and Kubuntu can not, even though both use the Ubuntu base.

With canonical no longer paying for the making of Kubuntu, there is an opportunity to break this reputation of Kubuntu just being considered "second class" by media sources. I think that if there's a way to take advantage of what Kubuntu has - 38,000+ packages, ppa's, and rolling KDE packages - It could outdo a lot of distributions out there. But if the media isn't on our side then we have problems. Let's change the image Kubuntu as first class to the linux media world, as opposed to just a side show to the powerhouse Ubuntu. I'm glad this discussion board came out!

james147
Apr 29th 2012, 08:38 PM
The problem is cononical treated it as a second class citizen and that both kubuntu and ubuntu are the same core system, but with different applications installed by default. Where mint is managed by a separate group of people that maintain their own repositories and are thus only biased of ubuntu rather then being tightly coupled with ubuntu (in the same way ubuntu is only biased of debian).

Now that kubuntu has been/is being taken over by a new company I would expect this view to change over the next few releases.

claydoh
Apr 29th 2012, 08:54 PM
The problem is cononical treated it as a second class citizen and that both kubuntu and ubuntu are the same core system, but with different applications installed by default. Where mint is managed by a separate group of people that maintain their own repositories and are thus only biased of ubuntu rather then being tightly coupled with ubuntu (in the same way ubuntu is only biased of debian).

Now that kubuntu has been/is being taken over by a new company I would expect this view to change over the next few releases.

Kubuntu is not being taken over by anyone. In the simplest of terms, Kubuntu's current status is equal to that of Xubuntu, Edubuntu, et al. We get to use Launchpad, Ubuntu's repos, servers, etc. We simply no longer enjoy the privilege of having developers paid for by Canonical. Another company is providing Kubuntu with that, just like many other companies or groups do throughout the F/OSS world.

I think that is something that must be kept in the forefront to avoid confusion.

james147
Apr 29th 2012, 09:05 PM
Kubuntu is not being taken over by anyone. In the simplest of terms, Kubuntu's current status is equal to that of Xubuntu, Edubuntu, et al. We get to use Launchpad, Ubuntu's repos, servers, etc. We simply no longer enjoy the privilege of having developers paid for by Canonical. Another company is providing Kubuntu with that, just like many other companies or groups do throughout the F/OSS world.

I think that is something that must be kept in the forefront to avoid confusion.
Thanks for the clarification :) haven't been following the news as closely as I probably should be. But my point still stands, there is now a company funding and (hopefully) promoting kubuntu that isn't almost entirely focused on another system like Canonical is with unity.

bra|10n
Apr 29th 2012, 11:09 PM
With canonical no longer paying for the making of Kubuntu, there is an opportunity to break this reputation of Kubuntu just being considered "second class" by media sources.

Wholeheartedly agree with you BlueDaisy.
Opportunities can be made the most of when they present, or can be squandered if the necessary vision and direction are lacking.

I think the question one should ask is, How bold is Kubuntu prepared to be?

Darkwing
Apr 30th 2012, 03:49 AM
First off, I would like to re-make the point that claydoh made.

Kubuntu is not being taken over. If anything it was given back to the Community. This is part of why I am here to ensure more of the community is heard.

Kubuntu is going to remain the KDE flavor of Ubuntu and the releases will continue to be along side with Ubuntu and the other flavors.

Now to tackle a question that was brought up.


I think the question one should ask is, How bold is Kubuntu prepared to be?

I think that would point to all of us. We can push this as much as we want at this point.

I have this amazing vision of mimicking what Apple managed to do with Macs. Build an army of users. As computing moves to more internet based computing there is no reason that Kubuntu and KDE cannot lead the way in building an army of free OS users for the use of daily computing. I know that many of us may be more "power user" and of course there will be hardcore gamers out there but, how many people can you think of who use their computers for Facebook, Email and other Internet activities for 90% of their usage? Mix this with Word processing and you have most computer users.

So, if we all banded together and started something with building the biggest FOSS Army of users.

To address the concerns about us being a "Second Class Citizen" to Ubuntu. We do more to create that persona than other people do. We should take what we have and push it forward. Not letting anyone stop us or get us down. Now that Canonical is not commercially supporting us and we have a paid developer from Blue Systems (More to come on that in another post) we can set the tone for Kubuntu for the future.

rms
Apr 30th 2012, 12:10 PM
to address the concerns about us being a "second class citizen" to ubuntu. We do more to create that persona than other people do. We should take what we have and push it forward. Not letting anyone stop us or get us down. Now that canonical is not commercially supporting us and we have a paid developer from blue systems (more to come on that in another post) we can set the tone for kubuntu for the future.

+1;D

capt-zero
Apr 30th 2012, 09:05 PM
Employ Nixie Pixel to plug us a few times on YouTube like she does Ubuntu and Mint.

bubblecruntz
May 5th 2012, 04:24 PM
Employ Nixie Pixel to plug us a few times on YouTube like she does Ubuntu and Mint.
This.
One thing I notice is websites like OMG Ubuntu, or Webupd8, and the like. Constantly bombard the reader with every little change gnome and unity and all "ubuntu" make, they say they cover all ubuntu distros, but very rarely do you see a blurb about Kubuntu or Xubuntu, Lubuntu. maybe the realeases, or the whole blue systems thing. What I am trying to get at here is maybe the Kubuntu community needs to set up a site that covers every little thing Kubuntu, and KDE all the little tweaks and buffs that come down the line. Make big noises on the net, facebook, twitter and all. Get it's name out there. I see many users say they don't like unity and they are switching to Xubuntu or Lubuntu, very rarely see them say "I think I'll give Kubuntu a try" It's like we KDE users are a happy little community that doesnt want to draw to much attention to ourselves for fear the wrong type of neighbour may move in next door. But yes Nixie is a great spokes person for all things linux.

woodsmoke
May 5th 2012, 06:19 PM
I'll agree with bubblecruntz.

And also capt-zero.

Maybe we should set up just a "RAH-RAH" site, maybe a sub forum here or a "blog" type thing, for easiy editing..

There is already the "KDE" site but it is imposing for the new user in that the new user has to wrestle with what they THINK is a hard to use distro, because of all that PAAAAZZZMMMAAA stuff, and it is devoted to "technical" stuff.

There is also KDE look.

What the above two probably do NOT want is another site that cannibalizes people from their sites... :(

..soo.... :)

What if we took bubblecruntz's and capt-zeros ideas and worked WITH Nixie-Pixel AND KDElook and the KDE site to support that kind of stuff by providing the framework and "raw stuff" as it were.

In other words:

a) Visit with Nixi-Pixel about how we could collaborate to EASE the production of Nixi-Pixel's stuff, link back to you tube, etc. do the dirty work of putting the videos in our "new site", so that Nixi-Pixel can concentrate on the content while we provide the framework for presentation.

b) make the site a BEAUTIFUL showcase so that the videos are showcased, instead of just "plopped down" on a page. Thus giving value added stuff to Nixi-Pixel for what will OBVIOUSLY be some extra work.

c) Same for KDE look. We have a bunch of talented people here in terms of artwork. In the site really SHOWCASE the artwork AND ALSO.....link to KDElook and host the artwork there so that we are feeding people TO KDElook instead of scavenging from them.

That way we would be perceived by both entities as a group that wants to enhance what THEY do and at the same time build a situation in which the whole is MORE than the sum of it's parts.

d) What about a Kubuntu "radio", not a "real" one but a "roundtable" video discussion of the latest things going on at Kubuntu and also just an MP3 so that people can listen in the car. That is how I do DW readings when I'm on a longish trip. Just dl the reading of what is new at DW and put it on a usb stick, plug it into the radio and go.

d) possibly do some "periodic" banner advertising at DW, I did them for my Calypso menu project and IT WORKED.....when the advert was rolling I was getting beaucoup hits.

The adverts can "roll" with other adverts so the cost is minimized......and......what if we also threw in part of the roll for KDE look? Or even....should I say it..? Nixi-Pixel? :)

Maybe entitle it....."go BOLD with Kubuntu" or "KUBU IS so NOW!" or "Want EASE of PRODUCTIVITY.....try the BOLD NEW KUBU!"

There are lots of good ideas in the new sub forum, and all of them have merit.

The rub....of course.....is people stepping up to volunteer to do something...

BUT IF WE HAVE A BIG VARIETY OF STUFF FOR THEM TO DO....... I think they would! :)

woodsmoke

claydoh
May 5th 2012, 08:09 PM
I'll say it again about blogs - having a single rah-rah site with say 10 different bloggers blogging about one quite specific topic is imo much less effective than those 10 people doing so on their own. Google Juice alone is worth that. Then all the blogs can be aggregated - like planetubuntu or planet KDE. This is really a minor difference from what you are proposing.

It would be great to get someone with some popularity to be a fan of Kubuntu, it would awesome and cool that is for sure.

As to media, I have always had a thought to do a podcast of some sort, never left the thinking and recording my voice into my mp3 player stage, though. Getting official Kubuntu team members onto podcasts on occasion would be a huge plus, and would help clear some confusions that always creep up as well as general news and the like.

The coolest thing is that anyone can go out and start a podcast or a blog and run with it. It is also the hardest thing to do sometimes if there isn't enough time, interest, or if there is a perceived lack of ability

As to KDE-look, KDE's website. well that unfortunately goes into the 'politics' of it all, as there really is no interest in seeing one distro as being THE KDE. However, KDE's userbase being a wiki can definitely use contributions, especially for updated how-to's and the like.

There has already been early discussion about a real Kubuntu help site (last UDS) with more visual media. But as I said before it takes effort desire time and sometimes some knowledge or skills to do these things.


And not to deflate things in any way whatsoever, do not overestimate the size and scope of our community too much. It all ties into to time, interest, and expertise issues. Attracting those things will be key. And it doesn't require anything from Kubuntu to do any of these things, really. KFN is an example of that. So go out and do something, just having Kubuntu-specific blog/how-to articles from all corners of the world will help us just by reducing the amount of really really old and outdated info and perceptions that popup in google searches.

1spottedhog
May 19th 2012, 01:47 PM
hmmmm claydoh... Would you be talking about a CMS based site that has video built into it for News, Articles, Tutorials, and maybe even just simply videos by category type of display? And even have a comment section with each of those? ...and then maybe have a FAQ section that can display the definitive answers to questions posted here? ...oh, and have a Blog section?

ScottyK
May 19th 2012, 04:22 PM
Above posters have mentioned about sites like "OMG Ubuntu!" that discuss every little thing about the Gnome/Unity side of Ubunty, but basically ignore KDE.

The sites that come out after a new release that discuss "10 things to get going with in Ubuntu!" and "10 shiny new applications!" and such are a good idea for people just switching over to Linux. I don't see much for beginners on the KDE side in showing their away around the new system. I would like to see articles geared towards beginners on how to do tasks in Kubuntu that they already know how to do in Windows.

But pondering claydoh's advice, maybe we don't NEED to wait for the official KDE beginners website to come along from the developers. It's easy enough to start a blog, maybe I should get out there and do it.

dequire
May 19th 2012, 04:44 PM
But pondering claydoh's advice, maybe we don't NEED to wait for the official KDE beginners website to come along from the developers.

The "Official" answer is likely to be KDE Userbase (http://userbase.kde.org/)

vw72
May 19th 2012, 05:10 PM
The sites that come out after a new release that discuss "10 things to get going with in Ubuntu!" and "10 shiny new applications!" and such are a good idea for people just switching over to Linux. I don't see much for beginners on the KDE side in showing their away around the new system. I would like to see articles geared towards beginners on how to do tasks in Kubuntu that they already know how to do in Windows.



The technical worth of a 10 things to do... article are immaterial. It is the publicity that is valuable. Those sites get page hits from far more than just new users. Others check them out to see what is new, where things are going, etc. They aren't even necessarily Ubuntu users, but possibly even users from other distros looking to see what all the hype is. (I'm sure all the Linux Mint users check out those 10 things to do sites about Ubuntu just to feel good that they don't have to do items 1,3,567 or 9!).

In Hollywood the saying is that there is no such thing as bad publicity. I don't think that holds true in Linux, but then again, there is almost no publicity regarding KDE or Kubuntu and that isn't good, either.

vw72
May 19th 2012, 05:12 PM
The "Official" answer is likely to be KDE Userbase (http://userbase.kde.org/)

That's the problem, most of these other sites (Ubuntu specific) aren't official and do much better at spreading the word. They are more like fan sites and that seems to be what is lacking for Kubuntu and KDE.

1spottedhog
May 19th 2012, 07:28 PM
OK, I was kind of hinting that I have designed an Open Source CMS that can be the foundation for a Kubuntu fan/help or whatever you may wish to call it. Actually, a couple of years ago or so I got permission from Canonical to have "Kubuntu" in the domain name. Soooo, I bought usakubuntu.info but I never did anything with it. My thoughts at the time were for it to be a help/promotional/HowTo website for Kubuntu Applications.

My software is PHP/MySQL based and is a merge of SMF 2.02 (the upgrade forum of what was used here previously) and PHP Nuke. ALL of the "Nuke" code has been rewritten and is totally integrated with SMF. It is written to be SEO efficient, which means News stories, Articles, etc. have their own keywords, title, and with titles displayed within "H3" tags like Google prefers.

Anyway, this past week I have finalized the merger and the software is ready to go. If you all wish, I could have a website for Kubuntu up and running within 24 hours.

Modules include:
Articles
Blog
Content
Event Calendar
FAQ
Feedback
Headlines
News
Pages (simple pages)
Surveys
Tutorials
Videos (can display videos from over 150 websites)

Nearly all of the modules have a Comment system attached and a place to display a video.

A website like this could be the foundation to launch our own promotional system for Kubuntu. We could organize and plan what to do and how to do it, and then link to key items either here on KubuntuForums or on this proposed website. FAQ's could contain the definitive answer or response to recurring queries. Tutorials could be made using some Kubuntu Linux applications such as Kdenlive.

For the proposed website, there can be permissions set up where there are Admin, such as Claydoh is here, and also permissions for admins for the content or "non-forum" modules like those listed above. I can stay on as one of the main Admin, however, I am not one who can modify content. I am not an Operating System coder, just an enthusiastic user.

So to that end, you all could determine how and who, along with what and where. If you all would allow, for myself if I could put Google Adsense on the bottom of the displayed pages, maybe that would be enough to cover hosting.

This has been my vision for a couple of years now, but I have never acted upon it.

OHHHHHHH, as you have probably seen, I have very few postings here. Well, that is because I had not changed my email associated with the former SMF forum and I could not get the password changed, etc. I have been a Kubuntu user since 7.04 as are my two twenty-something sons. I have a few others set up to use Kubuntu also.

Bottom line is, I think if we put up a sincere marketing or promotional effort for at least a year, Kubuntu may be more popular and widely used. And we could market/promote without spending any dollars...

starbuck
May 20th 2012, 09:16 AM
Hello,

it's a really great idea of a kubuntu/kde site like "omgubuntu".
We at Blue Systems started something like that called netrunner-mag.com, which is of course more netrunner-centric, so anyone have an idea for a kubuntu-related URL and get things going?

Greetings, Clemens.

SecretCode
May 20th 2012, 10:00 AM
so anyone have an idea for a kubuntu-related URL and get things going?


omkubuntu.org? :D

claydoh
May 20th 2012, 10:15 AM
bluegearnews.com

SteveRiley
May 20th 2012, 11:12 AM
omkubuntu.org? :D
So which $DEITY would the "k" represent, hmm? ;D

SecretCode
May 20th 2012, 11:41 AM
Kali?
Krishna?
Ktulu?

woodsmoke
May 20th 2012, 07:24 PM
Kongregator ?
Kongregation?
KubuntuBlue?

woodsmoke

vw72
Jul 18th 2012, 03:15 PM
Now first off, I am pretty much an anonymous user of Kubuntu, and in this respect I don't wish to forcing too much influence in this Linux distribution. But I have noticed that in the media, people have spoken that this OS as a second class citizen to the one it is derived from - Ubuntu. On the other hand, Linux Mint has been regarded as a 1st class distro by media sources, even though it is still based off of Ubuntu. Even more, whenever media sources and reviewers speak of it, it is like they almost forget to say in the articles that it's even based off of Ubuntu itself. In terms of internet public relations, somehow there is quite a contrast between the derivatives that is very important to analyze - like how a distro like Mint can get so much good media attention and Kubuntu can not, even though both use the Ubuntu base.

With canonical no longer paying for the making of Kubuntu, there is an opportunity to break this reputation of Kubuntu just being considered "second class" by media sources. I think that if there's a way to take advantage of what Kubuntu has - 38,000+ packages, ppa's, and rolling KDE packages - It could outdo a lot of distributions out there. But if the media isn't on our side then we have problems. Let's change the image Kubuntu as first class to the linux media world, as opposed to just a side show to the powerhouse Ubuntu. I'm glad this discussion board came out!


Did anything come out of this? I think the concerns are valid, and if Kubuntu and KDE don't get some love from the media, things don't bode well in the long run. If nothing has come from this, what about starting a section for Kubuntu ideas, like kde has on their site. Nothing would be binding on the Kubuntu developers (again, like on the KDE site), but who knows, maybe userland has some good suggestions to improve Kubuntu and accepting input from users would be a big plus over other distributions.

woodsmoke
Jul 18th 2012, 03:29 PM
Hi vw

Thanks for popping this up, I've actually been thinking about this a little and have come to "one" idea that may be of worth.

It is possible that the "reviewers" and "talking heads" and "bloggers" just don't really UNDERSTAND the Kubuntu/KDE plasma thing .....

ESPECIALLY the "activities"...

Because they have not actually spent TIME with it...... they tend to do "fire and forget" articles.

So.... since Mint really is just the "basic interface" with some widgety things.......they can easily "scan" it and then comment thereupon.

To that end, and I'm not promoting what I wrote as being an "end all/be all" I posted in the how thread my "explanation" of what the plasma interface "activities" does in as simple a manner as I could.

To that end, the explanation I gave could actually be simplified to: "activities are a user made, dedicated, set of virtual desktops which can be called with a simple click by the user".

Again, the above sentence should not be considered "woodsmokes definition and it WILL be used by GAWD"... but a starting point for the community to maybe try to come up with

a) one sentence
b) one phrase
c ) one....dunno.....

That can pithily summarize the KDE plasma/Kubuntu/activities paradigm.

just a suggestion.

woodsmoke

K-Project
Jul 18th 2012, 06:50 PM
I'm a fairly new Kubuntu user, but I have used KDE before. I do find it utterly mind-boggling that KDE does not get noticed as much as the Gnome distros. It's just absolutely baffling. There's no doubting that Gnome distros have the command of the Linux user mind share at the moment. Coming back to KDE, I wonder what on earth I've been doing all these years with Gnome.

However, I am beginning to sense a shift now, as people are starting to see that Gnome 3 isn't really developing the way they wanted or expected it to, that the mobile/tablet path is the one they have chosen and that's that. I think the KDE approach is better than both the Unity and Gnome 3 one-size-fits-all approach, and I think it will only gather more interest and mind share.

For Kubuntu, though I adore the upstream sensibility of the distro, I would like to see it embrace the unique Kubuntu brand a little bit more. Not much, but little things like having the Kubuntu logo on the Kickoff launcher, and perhaps a bit more attention to the installation procedure. But overall, I think the future is looking good for Kubuntu, and I'm not as pessimistic as perhaps some are. But I'm just a user on the outside, and my opinion doesn't count for much.

HalationEffect
Jul 18th 2012, 07:30 PM
little things like having the Kubuntu logo on the Kickoff launcher

I'm using the icon I found on this site: http://digitizor.com/2009/09/19/how-to-change-the-kickoff-logo-to-a-kubuntu-logo-in-kubuntu-9-04/

3539

vinnywright
Jul 18th 2012, 10:47 PM
I'm using the icon I found on this site: http://digitizor.com/2009/09/19/how-to-change-the-kickoff-logo-to-a-kubuntu-logo-in-kubuntu-9-04/

3539ya thats nice ..........I use this one http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?44629-Kubuntu-Start-Button

or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?48891-Another-Start-Button or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?53492-Kubuntu-Start-Button-Version-2 or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?53522-Kubuntu-Start-Button-Version-4 usualy depending on my mood :)

VINNY

HalationEffect
Jul 19th 2012, 03:55 AM
Thanks Vinny, I now have 5 alternate start buttons to play with :)

Caaarl
Jul 19th 2012, 07:00 AM
Hello,

i like the idea of an "OMG-Kubuntu" site. But I've noticed another thing: Ubuntu and some other distros have more users on youtube, who show their system and things you can do with it (not only Nixie Pixel). It is really hard to find for example a distro-review of Kubuntu 12.04 on youtube.

So maybe it would also help to make such videos and show the Kubuntu-features on youtube.
(I believe people especially those currently using Win7 would be interested, since Kubuntu should look familiar to them)

vinnywright
Jul 19th 2012, 04:01 PM
Thanks Vinny, I now have 5 alternate start buttons to play with :)LOL .......yes I like to tinker my desktop to death some times as well :)

@Caaarl perhaps you could do that .....

I have a few not so nice ones on you tube (just type vinnywright in youtube's search bar )((only the one named capturedvido was done with the given ffmpeg line))... but I haven’t had time to do a few rely good ones and then .....get them out their so to speak ;)

hears a good ffmpeg line to do it .


ffmpeg -f alsa -ac 2 -i pulse -f x11grab -s 1366x768 -r 25 -i :0.0 -vcodec ffv1 filename.avireplace 1366x768 with the size of your screen ,the -r 25 is 25 frames per second :)

VINNY

Caaarl
Jul 19th 2012, 04:44 PM
@vinnywright

I watched some of your vid's on youtube. But that is not exactly what i meant. I thought more of vids where Kubuntu is presented and a narrator explains the functions or "how to set up your xy-theme in Kubuntu".
Theres a lot of such vids for Ubuntu. A few examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjloqmuy6mg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQp4rrMGMV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K1XIUvGMPI

And i have already started experimenting with "recorditnow" which is a recordingprogram. I dont know if and when I will have the time to do a full review of my Kubuntu 12.04 setup though.
But yeah, thats what i think Kubuntu is lacking compared to Ubuntu. And since Youtube is a great place for "marketing" it might help

Greets

woodsmoke
Jul 19th 2012, 06:07 PM
Hi
I did a video for a previous distro at which I was participating and posted it to you tube to be used as a "Halloween Party" thing.

Since I was not completely aware of what kind of "degradation" would occur in file transfers, etc. I went to a professional "dubber".

I generated the video on a Linux laptop and while it was being played on the laptop, it was being streamed to the person's equipment which, at the time, was probably as high end as one could get aside from a television or movie studio.

The video was then uploaded to YouTube and then linked into the distro's forum for the Halloween Party.

As far as I could see, there was not much "degradation" even though the production itself was rather amateurish.

Later I made a video using a microcamera that was run through the Linux distro, on a model train that was set up in my study and then that video, as an mpeg was uploaded to you tube for a "Christmas video". Aside from "poor lighting" again, the video seemed to transfer well.

So....to get to the point here... I think that if the actual computer/monitor/video card/microphone combination is relatively high end then the video "per se" should look acceptable to any kind of user, new or otherwise.

Then it comes down, I think, to forethought in the actual production.

And as to that I think that there are only a couple of requirements.

A) short, as in maybe two minutes maximum. It would be better to upload several short videos to cover one topic than to upload one long video for one topic.

And the reason for that is quite simple. There are some items that some viewers will completely understand, others will not and vice versa. If the total concept is broken into small segments then after viewing all of them each unique user can then go back to replay the part that was not understood.

B) Make a script, which outlines what is said and also the particular mouse movements so that they can be practiced before times.

C) Practice several times on Tuesday morning, then give it a rest, go get lunch or wait to the next day, then practice it again, and then do the deed.

That will produce a much more comprehensible video than one in which there is a lot of "umming" and "aaahhhing" and "side comments" while the person is trying to remember where to move the mouse to click the correct button.

It also reduces the tendancy for a person to "go off on a tangent", talking about something that is not directly related to what the video is about, merely to take up "audio dead space" while hunting around with the mouse.

Just some thoughts.

woodsmoke

vinnywright
Jul 19th 2012, 08:09 PM
@vinnywright

I watched some of your vid's on youtube. But that is not exactly what i meant. I am aware that’s not what you ment :p
that’s why I sead....... "I have a few not so nice ones on you tube"....... meaning that they were not what you were referring to in content just examples of a screen capture you could do .

VINNY

claydoh
Jul 19th 2012, 11:28 PM
This to me all points to Kubuntu lacking in Google juice, or at least positive Google juice.

I am not calling for people to do a Mepis or Mint style campaign, but they do have an active and usually non confrontational user base in terms of blog comments supporting their fave distro.

We lack bloggers and positive commenters, which imo are greatly needed to offset the FUD that still lingers from the dark days of the past. Blogs external to kubuntu and kfn with non-negative content will help thin the negative found in search engine results. Facebook and G+ posts might help too.

As a sort of side note, It doesn't help that a major KDE community guy continually bashes us in blog comments.


I am looking at making time to do a regular blog on things KDE and kubuntu.

Sent from my SCH-I510 using Tapatalk 2

sixonetonoffun
Jul 20th 2012, 01:40 AM
Many of us have one good topic in us but lack the time or resources to maintain an OMG style blog. Several of the stickies here could be tweaked into full page articles. Good content is still King. SEO friendly doesn't hurt either. I used to be involved in an FOSS web project and for a long time my nick from the copyright generated huge google numbers and some of my comrades pulled down more then a Million google hits. We always joked about if we could just turn it into a nickle a hit we'd be set for retirement!

Google pages are free so there is really room for anyone to contribute on some level. Be it The Face Book, Twitter ect... The thing to avoid are the flame wars. Linus can get away with it he has God status among us mear mortals. But for the rest of us its a waste of resources.

claydoh
Jul 20th 2012, 01:36 PM
It doesn't have to be one site, just random stuff done randomly -my blog is a fine example of one that needs more regular posts :), tweets, fb posts, and G+ mentions of someone's posts will garner more non-negative, non-bashing content in front of people's eyes. Can't hurt.

vw72
Jul 20th 2012, 01:39 PM
It doesn't have to be one site, just random stuff done randomly -my blog is a fine example of one that needs more regular posts :), tweets, fb posts, and G+ mentions of someone's posts will garner more non-negative, non-bashing content in front of people's eyes. Can't hurt.

And your site is?

claydoh
Jul 20th 2012, 02:00 PM
Oh I gots to make it easy, don't I? lol (http://claydoh.com)

lcorken
Jul 20th 2012, 06:45 PM
You guys have inspired me. I just posted a little rave for Kubuntu on my old neglected blog.
http://absolutemaybe.blogspot.com/

Maybe we should have a list of personal blogs on the forum so we can support Kubuntu and each other.

Ken.

vw72
Jul 20th 2012, 08:08 PM
You guys have inspired me. I just posted a little rave for Kubuntu on my old neglected blog.
http://absolutemaybe.blogspot.com/

Maybe we should have a list of personal blogs on the forum so we can support Kubuntu and each other.

Ken.

Very nice. BTW, for me, reaching my feet has never been the problem -- standing up afterwards, that's a different story. :)

vw72
Jul 20th 2012, 08:11 PM
Oh I gots to make it easy, don't I? lol (http://claydoh.com)

Well, I did go to your profile to find it, but it wasn't there!. Now just rename planetubuntu to planetkubuntu an everything will be better yet!

dequire
Jul 20th 2012, 11:18 PM
Here's mine, in case my signature wasn't adequate enough :)

http://www.thebluemint.net

SteveRiley
Jul 21st 2012, 04:50 AM
Hm... I pretty much abandoned the blogging habit after I left Microsoft. I tried to keep it going, but found that I was running out of interesting things to write, so I killed what little bit I had done. Perhaps now -- with my involvement in Kubuntu -- I have a good reason to start something new!

woodsmoke
Jul 21st 2012, 02:47 PM
SRs comment dredged up a thought in my pea-sized brain, and that was that...I had also been encouraged by many to "write a blog" several years back and, basically, came up with some stuff but, also, "ran out of things that I, personally, thought others would find interesting".

So... I'm wondering if it would be possible to somehow "aggregate" the various blogs into "a central clearing house" and then display that central clearing house in some spectacular way so that the various people, who might go in "fits and starts" with their blogging would, collectively, have something interesting on the plate for the random passerby and also the regulars.

(yes, I know we have a "blog section" here and it is great but it is also ..."in the site"....)

Maybe do something at "blogger" or at "wordsmith"....maybe a wordsmith page with links to the blogs here?

just some thoughts.

woodsmoke

dequire
Jul 21st 2012, 07:08 PM
So... I'm wondering if it would be possible to somehow "aggregate" the various blogs into "a central clearing house" and then display that central clearing house in some spectacular way so that the various people, who might go in "fits and starts" with their blogging would, collectively, have something interesting on the plate for the random passerby and also the regulars.

(yes, I know we have a "blog section" here and it is great but it is also ..."in the site"....)
woodsmoke

I think what you mean is a "Planet Kubuntu" or "Kubuntu Planet" that is an aggregation of many sources, like Planet KDE (planetkde.org). BTW - both planetkubuntu.org and planetkubuntu.com appear to be available...

Finally, my site gets decent traffic, and so if anyone does not want to maintain their own blog, but just do a 1-off article here and there, submissions are always welcome.

claydoh
Jul 21st 2012, 10:11 PM
I think what you mean is a "Planet Kubuntu" or "Kubuntu Planet" that is an aggregation of many sources, like Planet KDE (planetkde.org). BTW - both planetkubuntu.org and planetkubuntu.com appear to be available...

Finally, my site gets decent traffic, and so if anyone does not want to maintain their own blog, but just do a 1-off article here and there, submissions are always welcome.

Yeah this is what Isuggested a whole back, however I stopped looking at it as I wasn't able to integrate it into KFN visually as I had intended. Setting one up is fairly easy, maintaining it is almost not needed, and I am willing to do the "hard" work adding anyone's rss feed.

I have plenty of web space if anyone wants a blog, but WordPress.com is free


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