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ausmuso
Jul 7th 2008, 09:04 AM
I've been a long-time Linux user. KDE has been my desktop of choice since
1999 although lately I have been using GNOME a bit more often. In recent years
I have been moving backwards and forwards between Ubuntu / GNOME and
OpenSuSE / KDE.

I've come to value Ubuntu as a rock-solid distro that needs very little work before
it'll do what you want. The thing is, I feel more comfortable with KDE and especially
those applications based on it like KMail, Konqueror and Kate.

I thought Kubuntu Hardy Heron would be a good opportunity to try KDE4.0
so I now have it running on my machine. Installation was a total breeze, no problems
in hardware or internet detection, also the proprietary NVidia driver worked first up.
Having got it running, though, it seems Kubuntu / KDE4 is very much a work in progress,
I keep running into funny quirks and irritants.

Several KDE system settings require root access. My KDE 3.5.7 simply asks me for
the administrator password whenever I have to adjust time and date or do
similar things. This doesn't happen with this Kubuntu KDE4, nor can I log in as root.
My trusted "Ubuntu Hacks" handbook tells me I can create a root user by defining a
root password. I tried this only to have Kubuntu tell me "root login not permitted".
I overcame the obstacle by opening a console and sudoing SystemSettings that way.
Seems a complicated way of doing it.

Autologin doesn't seem to work. I could set it up OK but now I get the message
"autologin authentification failed" at every boot-up.

KMail is KDE's preferred email client. It's in there and it works fine but it isn't
shown on my KMenu.

I hate doubleclicking my mouse . . . it's soooo Windows! System Settings gives you
the option to set the mouse to single clicking, but this has no effect, the double click is still there.

I don't like wallpaper on my desktop. However, the option NOT to have wallpaper seems
to have disappeared. I can change wallpapers, but it seems I must have them.

It seems I have to do more downloading to get some icons, screensavers and themes I
like but I've reached my monthly download limit so this will have to wait.

I know you can get any Linux distro to do what you want eventually. The thing is, can I
be bothered putting in the extra work? The jury is still out at this stage. Meanwhile I'm
back with OpenSuSE 10.3 and KDE 3.5.7

Tecumseh
Jul 7th 2008, 11:08 AM
You are comparing OpenSuSe with KDE 3.5.7 with Kubuntu with KDE 4.0. That the wrong start you give Kubuntu. KDE 4.0 is still beta software, has a lot of bugs and annoying lack of features. On the other hand you have OpenSuSe with a KDE that has gone through 5 major versions and 7 minors, a fully developed WM.

An equal comparisations would be Kubuntu with KDE 3.5.9 and OpenSuSe with preferably the same KDE version.

Snowhog
Jul 7th 2008, 07:11 PM
Agreed. If you want a real comparison, then remove Kubuntu w/KDE 4.x (reformat the partitions) and reinstall 8.04 with KDE 3.5.9. After pulling in all the updates/upgrades you'll have a very stable system. NOTE: If you have a separate /home partition, you will want to reformat it as well, as it contains hidden folders/settings from KDE 4.x. Start fresh, and I'm sure you will be pleased.

ausmuso
Jul 8th 2008, 11:32 PM
Agreed. If you want a real comparison, then remove Kubuntu w/KDE 4.x (reformat the partitions) and reinstall 8.04 with KDE 3.5.9. After pulling in all the updates/upgrades you'll have a very stable system. NOTE: If you have a separate /home partition, you will want to reformat it as well, as it contains hidden folders/settings from KDE 4.x. Start fresh, and I'm sure you will be pleased.


Thanks, Snowhog and Tecumseh, I might do that! by the way, I never bother with a separate /home partition. I did try this once or twice in the past, only to find that the old stuff never worked right after an upgrade.
Ausmuso

Snowhog
Jul 9th 2008, 02:47 AM
...I never bother with a separate /home partition.

To each their own. As long as you are aware of the risk you take by not having a separate /home partition. Putting the users home directory directly under the root ( / ) file system means that should you experience a problem that requires a reinstall to fix, you loose everything.

Monster_user
Aug 14th 2008, 05:22 AM
Not Necessarily. Many Linux distributions now offer to simply rename the old user folders, and create a new one. Leaving the file system mostly intact.

One could also use a Live CD, and transfer the Home folder to another location, prior to reinstalling. Admittedly, that would be a pain.

I generally keep my important data on a separate drive anyway. Just keeping the Linux info on the Linux partition. So I'm too worried about loosing my Home directory.

Besides, most of the configuration data would be for a different installation, and may cause startup issues (I never run a stock install for long...).